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Old 01-06-2016, 12:14 PM
 
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Why not a chance for English ancestry ?
The colonial population was only 60% English to begin with. "British" immigrants in the 1800s were outnumbered by german immigrants 2-1, and a massive chunck of the "British" immigrants we received were Scottish, Welsh, etc., not English. The English still preferred their colonies in the 1800s, like Canada and Australia.
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Old 01-06-2016, 12:51 PM
 
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In 1900 about half of white Americans could still trace their ancestry to colonial times. There were 67 million whites then - 30% of that group which would have yielded 20 million right there. Plus immigrants and the descendants of English immigrants and some from Canada etc.

There were 8 million born in Germany or of German parentage. Even if we add in the third generation, ethnic Germans from other European countries and those of colonial stock, there couldn't have been more than 15 million of German descent at the time.

So I don't see how German ancestry could have surpassed English ancestry since then. At best they might be around the same.

That being said, there's little distinction (and hasn't been one for a long time) between the British ethnicities. That's why I did a British/American grouping and a German one (with Swiss included).

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Old 01-06-2016, 01:08 PM
 
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The colonial population was only 60% English to begin with. "British" immigrants in the 1800s were outnumbered by german immigrants 2-1, and a massive chunck of the "British" immigrants we received were Scottish, Welsh, etc., not English. The English still preferred their colonies in the 1800s, like Canada and Australia.
How about Anglo Americans who were already here ?

At the time of the mass immigration in the 19th century, they were an estimated 11 million of Americans of wholly or partial English ancestry in 1860, 35 % of the population of the United States at the time. They still continue to have babies. I agree about the mass German immigration but you seem to focus too much about that and it's like they repopulated America. Also, an estimated 3.5 million English immigrated to the U.S. after 1776 until 1846 because the UK stopped the immigration. The English population is much larger than Scotland or Wales population so I don't think there was more Welsh or Scottish immigrants than English.
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Old 01-06-2016, 01:14 PM
 
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3.5 mlion English didnt immigrate to America between 1776-1846. From independence until the 1820s America received barely any immigrants at all. There was african immigration during that time and the noticeable french colonization of southern Lousiana, but immigration was a trickle for decades filling independence.
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Old 01-06-2016, 01:25 PM
 
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2.7 million people British immigrated to the US between 1820 and 1900. More than 1 million between 1900 and 1930.
The majority would have been English.

http://teacher.scholastic.com/activi...gion_table.pdf
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Old 01-06-2016, 01:47 PM
 
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Trump's father is an example of how Germans didn't think of themselves as "ethnic":

When Ms. Schifano moved to Jamaica Estates, Queens, the wealthy enclave where the Trumps lived, Freddy confided to her that his parents had panicked because, as Italians, the Schifanos were “the first ethnic family to move into the neighborhood.” But Freddy was less concerned with ethnic distinctions. When he enrolled at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania, the boy with blond hair who had attended an Episcopalian boys’ preparatory school on Long Island joined a Jewish fraternity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/03/us...ring.html?_r=0
It's interesting that NYC had nearly as many German as Irish immigrants, yet the German element is (and long has been) practically invisible.
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Old 01-06-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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You typically think of NYC and Boston being divided between Italian and Irish, so the high population of Germans certainly is a surprise.

When I think German, I typically think Midwest. They seem to really take pride in their German and Scandinavian heritage over there. The South is more so British, specifically Scots-Irish and English. The Northeast, typically Irish and Italian but that region was more of a melting pot than the rest of the nation so it's hard to say. California and areas out west fit in the same boat, very diverse.
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:11 PM
 
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2.7 million people British immigrated to the US between 1820 and 1900. More than 1 million between 1900 and 1930.
The majority would have been English.

http://teacher.scholastic.com/activi...gion_table.pdf
Thanks for the link

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3.5 mlion English didnt immigrate to America between 1776-1846. From independence until the 1820s America received barely any immigrants at all. There was african immigration during that time and the noticeable french colonization of southern Lousiana, but immigration was a trickle for decades filling independence.
So after the Revolutionary War, none English immigration in America really ?

Long before the creation of the United States, immigration has always existed since the colonial era and never stopped even during wars.
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:17 PM
 
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People with only a tiny bit of German heritage always say they're German because it's less dull then saying you're "just American" or British.

There's FAR more of a British or Irish influence in this nation than German.
I agree with this, America is Far more British/Irish than german or any other continental european.

British/Irish + American (which is mainly colonial english or scotch-Irish) is basically the overwhelming ancestry of about 70%+ of white americans.

The same for polish americans or italian americans, many of those groups are onlu 1/4 italian or 1/8 polish but will claim those ethnicities for the sake of being different than the common "American" or predominantly British/Irish background.
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:36 PM
 
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British/Irish + American (which is mainly colonial english or scotch-Irish) is basically the overwhelming ancestry of about 70%+ of white americans..
I wouldn't go that far, I'd say around 40 or 45 % of White Americans are mainly or partially of British/Irish ancestry.
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