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Old 01-06-2016, 03:46 PM
 
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I wouldn't go that far, I'd say around 40 or 45 % of White Americans are mainly or partially of British/Irish ancestry.
Being partially british/Irish ancestry is far commoner than that. Many people who claim being Polish-American, (most)German-Americans, and even quite a few italian americans look more British/Irish than anything else. British ancestry particularly is big time downplayed on self-reported data. There are far more full British americans than anything else, most of polish american, french-american, german-american or scandinavian-american only have a fraction of those ancestries but prefer to identify themselves with them.
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Old 01-06-2016, 04:09 PM
 
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I don't think German ancestry is either undercounted or overcounted, but English/British ancestry is significantly undercounted.
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Old 01-06-2016, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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It's interesting that NYC had nearly as many German as Irish immigrants, yet the German element is (and long has been) practically invisible.
Because the overwhelming majority of them were Protestants and assimilated into WASP society much faster.

You'll never see anyone make a statement like this about German-Americans.

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“Were CUNY not proactively engaging in affirmative action for Italian-Americans, one would expect to see Italian-American representation in CUNY fall at the same rate as that of whites,” Jennifer S. Rubain, university dean for recruitment and diversity, said in a statement. “That has not happened.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/15/ny...ians.html?_r=0
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Old 01-06-2016, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I don't think German ancestry is either undercounted or overcounted, but English/British ancestry is significantly undercounted.
That guy has been banned on at least a dozen accounts for trolling this topic in the Europe forum and also on the General American forum. No point in correcting him. He probably gets paid to do this.
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Old 01-06-2016, 04:43 PM
 
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I don't think German ancestry is either undercounted or overcounted, but English/British ancestry is significantly undercounted.
I do agree. But you have to figure out that most of people is not pure Irish, Italian, English or German.

I'm sure many people who were 1/4 german claimed german ancestry instead of any other ethnicity. I do agree that English/British ancestry is big time downplayed in the US. I'd estimate 40-50% of whites being predominantly British/Irish ancestry and about 75-80% of them being at least partially descended from one of those groups (if not both of them)
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Old 01-06-2016, 04:51 PM
 
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For first ancestry reported:

New York State:

Italian 2,169,837 11.1%
British/American 1,695,617 8.7%
Irish 1,630,660 8.4%
German/Swiss 1,295,266 6.6%

While Italian and Irish are pretty strong through much of the state, Italian ancestry is relatively stronger in suburban NYC, while Irish is relatively stronger in eastern upstate (i.e. the Hudson Valley, Albany, Syracuse). German ancestry is strongest in Western New York. British ancestry is pretty common upstate too, particularly in rural areas.
Following up on this - going north and west in NYS (by first ancestry):

Westchester County:

Italian 151,742 15.9%
(Jewish population 136,200 14.2%)
Irish 85,197 9%
British/American 69,167 7.2%
German/Swiss 37,085 3.9%

Dutchess County:

Italian 54,661 18.4%
Irish 45,000 15.1%
British/American 27,197 9.1%
German/Swiss 25,487 8.6%

Albany County:

Irish 47,750 15.6%
Italian 41,069 13.5%
British/American 29,716 9.7%
German/Swiss 28,236 9.2%

Onondoga County:

Irish 69,605 14.9%
Italian 67,339 14.2%
British/American 59,700 12.8%
German/Swiss 51,123 10.9%

Monroe County:

Italian 112,709 15.1%
British/American 94,448 12.7%
German/Swiss 94,383 12.6%
Irish 71,877 9.6%

Erie County:

German/Swiss 150,204 16.3%
(Polish 128,268 14%)
Italian 119,846 13%
Irish 95,796 10.4%
British/American 72,360 7.9%
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Old 01-06-2016, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I do agree. But you have to figure out that most of people is not pure Irish, Italian, English or German.

I'm sure many people who were 1/4 german claimed german ancestry instead of any other ethnicity. I do agree that English/British ancestry is big time downplayed in the US. I'd estimate 40-50% of whites being predominantly British/Irish ancestry and about 75-80% of them being at least partially descended from one of those groups (if not both of them)
Here is the percentage of people claiming an ancestry as their only ancestry compared of the total claiming that ancestry to any extent.

Italian - 38.9%
English - 36.1%
Polish - 34.1%
German - 33.9%
Irish - 28.0%

Same thing for New York metro area.

Italian - 50.1%
Polish - 40.1%
Irish - 29.9%
English - 21.4%
German - 20.8%

And for Philly

Italian - 39.6%
Irish - 29.7%
Polish - 29.6%
German - 24.4%
English - 23.6%

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I do agree. But you have to figure out that most of people is not pure Irish, Italian, English or German.

I'm sure many people who were 1/4 german claimed german ancestry instead of any other ethnicity. I do agree that English/British ancestry is big time downplayed in the US. I'd estimate 40-50% of whites being predominantly British/Irish ancestry and about 75-80% of them being at least partially descended from one of those groups (if not both of them)
You keep saying this is a common situation, my guess is most of those that chose German as their ancestry were at least plurality German.

I suspect our views are dependent on what region we're from.
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Old 01-06-2016, 05:17 PM
 
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Meanwhile, you can see the transition from "Yankee" to "German American" in rural counties as you move from central to western New York.

Tompkins County:

British/American 19,961 19.5%
German/Swiss 9,420 9.2%
Irish 8,642 8.5%
Italian 6,468 6.3%

Yates County:

British/American 6,802 26.9%
German/Swiss 5,024 19.9%
Irish 2,721 10.8%
Italian 1,420 5.6%

Steuben County:

British/American 24,755 25%
German/Swiss 15,515 15.7%
Irish 11,750 11.9%
Italian 6,338 6.4%

Livingston County:

German/Swiss 13,361 20.5%
British/American 12,196 18.7%
Irish 9,032 13.9%
Italian 6,758 10.3%

Wyoming County:

German/Swiss 10,357 24.7%
British/American 7,469 17.8%
Irish 3,694 8.8%
Italian 3,033 7.2%
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Old 01-06-2016, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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You keep saying this is a common situation, my guess is most of those that chose German as their ancestry were at least plurality German.

I suspect our views are dependent on what region we're from.
The Upper Midwest and the Plains are obviously more "pure" German. But some of the differences aren't as significant as I expected them to be.

Wisconsin - 42.0%
North Dakota - 41.2%
Ohio - 38.2%
Pennsylvania - 37.0%
Minnesota - 36.0%
Texas - 35.7%
Illinois - 34.1%
Alabama - 34.0%
North Carolina - 33.4%
Maryland - 30.0%
California - 26.2%
Massachusetts - 18.5%
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