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Old 01-06-2016, 08:43 PM
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In New England, German ancestry is way down the list.
Yea, I wouldn't have expected to be high as a primary ancestry.
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Old 01-07-2016, 09:19 AM
 
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Not so much that, but rather that Philadelphia is stereotyped as "Italian" and Boston as "Irish." There's probably nothing quite like South Philly either anywhere in the US (i.e. where the original Little Italy spread over a contiguous area).
I'm saying the data confirms the stereotype to an extent.

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I'm sure there are pockets of hyper Irish identity in NYC and Philadelphia, but Boston is the only place where the Irish American presence seems pretty ubiquitous.
Nothing like the South Shore.
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Old 01-07-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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Here's First Ancestry Reported divided by Total Ancestry Reported.

Boston

Italian - 74.4%
Irish - 72.8%
English - 59.7%
German - 52.9%

New York

Italian - 82.9%
Irish - 67.0%
English - 56.4%
German - 54.8%

Philadelphia

Italian - 78.0%
Irish - 67.9%
German - 58.6%
English - 57.9%
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Old 01-07-2016, 09:56 AM
 
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Ok, just needed to post because this age old arguement needs to to be put to rest. Americans have become such German wannabes and self haters its ridiculous.

Firstly, immigration:

People from the British isles have been immigrating to this country in mass numbers SINCE colonial times. Lets backtrack a little the largest wave of Germans came in the 19th century, the greatest number was 6 million. What are you smoking to think 6 million German Americans could outnumber/outbreed the population of British Americans who have been migrating for hundreds of years in such a short time? Clearly nowhere near 40 or 50 million. The real German American input should be much lower & far less than even 20 million (Even today Caucasians from the British Isles still make up the bulk of European immigrants). Some people claim most Americans in the Midwest are German. Ok, lets examine that theory for a minute, all those states have relatively small populations and even if they were all "100% German states" they would not NEARLY have the number to make up 50 million, i mean c'mon.

The problem is here, German is foreign to Americans. You have a lot of Americans who don't know their ancestries past 3 generations so they either A) Lie, don't know what they are. B) Pick the most recent ethnicity ignoring their ancestors. English has blended in and become synonymous with "American", American culture is dominantly Anglo, its not as foreign, not as desired.

Secondly, Phenotype & Genetic Data:

No matter where you go in the United States. You will not find many White Americans who look like Til Sweiger or even Arnold Swarzenegger. Germans & Scandinavians look quite foreign next to the Typical white American who looks clearly of British isles origin (Note, German/Scandinavian phenotype =/= Blonde, blue eyed most Scandinavians have a clearly baltid influenced head shape that is foreign in America). Just because you're blonde does not mean you look like other blondes. Just like just because you're blonde doesn't mean you have a Nordic skull shape. As most Scandinavians are not Nordic in phenotype. They are Crogmagnid/Baltid. I don't know where the all Germans/Scandinavians blonde stereotype comes from anyway. Far from the truth, but its a moot point really because nearly ALL German Americans came from the South and this number also included non ethnic Germans. The South is ethnically different from the North. You have Germans who are darker in pigmentation & hair color and A LOT also have Slavic input from the history with their border they had with Poland.

Do you find this to be more typical of White Americans




or these obvious British isles types that can be found in all corners of America.

















One was Australian, Two were Brits (and i gurantee you if i asked Americans to distinquish the brits they would be lost. One is rather easy because he has a cricket bat, the other not so much as he has a look that is pretty uber white american) & the rest American. Yet all of them are not foreign in any of those 3 countries. These are more or less the faces of the majority of entertainers, news anchors, and politicians of the US, Canada, & Australia. Add in the fact that most presidents were predominantly of English/British isles ancestry. That is no coincidence. If all your politicians look like it, if all your entertainers look like it then you can only be mostly it!

For every typical American white actor/actress there is a British look alike counterpart.

British isles ancestry is terribly underreported in the US, there's no way around it when all the evidence shows it. I am not shocked that its this way. Americans confuse phenotypes a lot and many of them don't even know what terms like "Nordic" actualy mean. I bet if half actually visited England they would see there is no extreme difference in how the British look from typical Americans.

This is an English guy




He could easily come here, put on a fake American accent and NOONE would question whether he's American or not (Hell i recall some Americans not even knowing Christian Bale, Scott Speedman, & Kate Bekinsale was british) because his look is found everywhere in America where there is a strong white population. I see this type almost everyday.

Not even in Minnesota (the state claimed as Nordic land) do typical white americans look Scandinavian. It doesn't matter who you compare. Politicians, Actors, Singers, Pornstars the bulk of them look no different than typical Anglos in other Anglo dominated countries. Canadians (who are also mostly of british isles descent) as well as Australians ultimately don't look that much different from typical white Americans. Canadian actors can come here and pass as a typical White American (and Canada has an even smaller German input than America). Most people might think most of our actors in our Tv shows are American? NOPE, a lot of them are actualy Australian, British, & Canadian import actors like they were in Legend of the Seeker, Spartacus, Battlestar Gallactica, and many other mainstream television shows. Yet an American sees them as a typical White American when they don't use their accents. Thats more than enough evidence of who the real majority is. British people can (and have) easily come to the United States and fit in with the typical WASP population of America. Ive been to England, and honestly its like being in a less obese America.

TheApricity, Forumbiodiversity, most Americans who post their 23andme results (DNA testing) on these forums cluster with the UK more than anything. Not Germany. And most foreign people on these antropology sites who visit America come to the same conclusion. The majority of the whites look like whites from the British isles and other Anglo dominated nations such as New Zealand, Canada, Australia etc.

What America does have, is a load of Germaphiles. I don't understand for the life of me why more Americans aren't more proud of their British ancestries they invented & contributed a hell of a lot more to the modern world than Germans did in all fields, Be proud.

Third, Surnames:

Don't be silly. The assumption that EVERY single German American family could have Anglicised their names is extremely ridiculous and unfounded. As there are Italians and many other groups who still retain their original surnames. Heh, you could also turn that around and say how do you know that many of those Germans weren't actually German jews? or that many of the existing German surnames were not ethnic Germans. You could even go a bit further and say how do you know many of the people who report German ancestry could have had some non ethnic German speaking ancestor? I knew a guy who up until a few days ago thought his family was primarily German & Irish. Turns out he's mostly of English stock.

Regardless of African Americans having English names. If the so called German Americans were as high as the number claimed they were, you better be damn well you would see German surnames somewhere in the top & yet you do not.

Using the Census is pretty much useless at this point since demographers have already agreed that it was an overcount. Not to mention non ethnics & mixed people are also counted which renders its pretty inacurate. Irish are another group that should not be as high, as many of them AREN'T ethnic. The majority of Irish Americans were actualy Ulster-Scots.......see, the census doesn't project reality well at all. Keep in mind this is a census that also includes Arabs as white & also includes Hispanics as an ethnic group,

Fact is, the British component is the strongest in Whites of the Anglosphere. Most German Americans are not even close to being pure. Many Americans are mixed, but that does not negate the fact that the British component is strongest. Other white Americans will almost ALWAYS have English, Scottish, Welsh, or Irish input. Even the two Dutch presidents had British isles input & even the current Black one has British isles input. Americans just love overestimated non british isles ancestries i blame part of this on making "English" synonymous with "American".
Holy Tiger Beat!

England was settled/invaded by Germanic tribes on top of a Celtic population. ( Angles and Saxons (Anglo-Saxon) were German). And then there were the Vikings who came and settled as well. The Norse also settled in France, Normandy and William the conquerer came in 1066. You could find pictures of Norweigans that look similar as well.

Speaking of genetic markers, the British Isles ( Great Britain and Ireland to be clear) share many genetic markers with Spain and Portugal surprisingly. Galicia in Northern Spain is one of the 7 Celtic Nations.
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Old 01-07-2016, 02:06 PM
 
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England is 75% Celtic and 25% Germanic, North England, West England, Wales, Scotland a lot lot less. The English language is old English, Latin, Celtic ( London) is Celtic also French . England is part of the British Isles not a German cousin or love child
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Old 01-07-2016, 02:19 PM
 
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Yea, I wouldn't have expected to be high as a primary ancestry.
That's one thing Massachusetts has in common with Mississippi!
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Old 01-07-2016, 04:47 PM
 
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You also have to look at how the census categorizes ethnicity in their surveys. The British Isles are split into 4 groups, so in many states the British Isles provide the greatest pool of ancestors.

This is an interesting source for the 2000 Ancenstry census, has a lot of maps as well as maps for population centers.

https://www.census.gov/population/ww...9_Ancestry.pdf
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:11 AM
 
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England is 75% Celtic and 25% Germanic, North England, West England, Wales, Scotland a lot lot less. The English language is old English, Latin, Celtic ( London) is Celtic also French . England is part of the British Isles not a German cousin or love child
I do agree. Its hard for me to pick between Irish and English people, they are very similar looking (physically wise) . So claiming Irish/Welsh/Scots are celtic and English people are germanic is the biggest nosense ever. I would never confuse a group of englishmen with those from germanic countries (holland,sweden,denmark,germany,norway,etc ) the physical difference is quite noticeable. I think even some central-eastern europeans look more similar to germanics than Britishmen do.
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:23 AM
 
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Holy Tiger Beat!

England was settled/invaded by Germanic tribes on top of a Celtic population. ( Angles and Saxons (Anglo-Saxon) were German). And then there were the Vikings who came and settled as well. The Norse also settled in France, Normandy and William the conquerer came in 1066. You could find pictures of Norweigans that look similar as well.

Speaking of genetic markers, the British Isles ( Great Britain and Ireland to be clear) share many genetic markers with Spain and Portugal surprisingly. Galicia in Northern Spain is one of the 7 Celtic Nations.

England was invaded by germanic populations who were a small group compared to the already existing population. The so-called celtic populations werent the same as those central european celts from hallstat, but were a cultural expasion of the celtic empire. Those "celtic" peoples from the British Isles had their origins in the atlantic seaboard of europe.. thats why they have markers with western france and northern iberia. Are they Western french or Northern Iberian? no they arent. do ethnic british population (90% of british dna today which has pre-invasion origin) have a common origin with western french and north-iberian old populations? yes.

UK is 90% genetically from pre-germanic/celtic invasion. The british and Irish have common ancestors with ancient inhabitants from Western seaboard in europe, specially with france and spain.
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Old 01-08-2016, 11:30 AM
 
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I agree with that, though I think this has been covered before. Last time we looked at the indigenous English football team, ie. Leighton Baines, John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Gary Cahill, Harry Kane, John Stones, Gary Lineker, Ross Berklay and nobody looked Dutch or German,( thinking Bergkamp and Lowther Mattheas) only Joe Hart with his blond hair, lol. Look at England teams of the past and its the same. But England/Britain has been classed based for centuries, that is why some Rugby players are very fair, Viking/Saxon elite. Rugby Union is elitist .The posh in Britain have always only married other posh people , so you are right that the Germanic INVASION kinda blew itself out( ie, a very low gene pool ) and the original Brythonic women of England look the same as Scots, Welsh ect. I would say 80% of Englishmen came from the Atlantic side rather than the German/Scandanavian side. Mind you, I like Red Wine and olives but love the Moomintrolls, maybe I am half and half!
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