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Old 07-13-2010, 06:45 PM
 
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Hello!

I just graduated from Drake University in Des Moines, IA. The student body at Drake is mostly composed of students from all over the Midwest, with Chicago, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Kansas City, and Milwaukee probably having the biggest representation. My roommates were from suburbs of Chicago and the Twin Cities and I am from Overland Park, KS (just outside KC). One day I made comment about being from the Midwest and both of them agreed that Kansas City is not the Midwest. In their mind it was lumped in with St. Louis, Nashville, and Memphis and they considered that to be the South. In their minds, the Midwest was composed of the states that touch the Great Lakes from Ohio to Minnesota in addition to Iowa. I had always thought of Kansas as being as Midwestern as Midwestern gets in most people's eyes because of its prominent role in "The Wizard of Oz."

I guess my question is do you consider Kansas City Midwestern, Southern, or Western? Where does the Midwest stop and start to you? My little "argument" with my roommates really just got me thinking about my metro area from a non-local perspective.
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Old 07-13-2010, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Tampa - St. Louis
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Nashville and Memphis are Southern, but St. Louis and Kansas City are clearly Midwestern.
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Old 07-13-2010, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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The core of the midwest is generally thought to be the states that made up the old northwest, that would be Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois and Minnesota. As the nation moved west, the northwest was no longer the western frontier and it became known as the the midwest. Since then all of the plains states have been added, and yes all of Missouri. (allthough Missouri is somewhat southern as well). In short, by all definitions Kansas city is midwest. The midwest can be broken up into 3 subregions, first the upper midwest (mi, Wi, Mn), second the lower midwest (Mo, Ill, Ind, Ia, Oh) and third would be the western section or the plains states.(Ks,Ne, and the Dakotas). There are lots of arguments on here about what is midwest and what is not. The midwest is a large piece of real estate and it is much more diverse than the stereotypes about it suggest.
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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Kansas City is Midwest, but with a strong Southern component, as is St. Louis. Missouri is sort of unique in that half of the state is in the Midwest and the other half is in the South. Kansas, Ohio, Indiana and Illinois are all partly in the South, but the majority of those states are Midwestern. Missouri is split in half.

For what it's worth, Kansas City does seem very Southern to me, but I'm from the Upper Midwest.

Edit: I made this map that I believe shows the regions of the Midwest fairly accurately. You'll see Kansas City on the southern fringe of the Midwest:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...ae6ad91d9b789b
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:56 PM
 
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I don't see how it's the South. I have a friend from KC who moved to Memphis for college. She always talks about how it's the biggest culture shock of her life. Lots of differences. She couldn' wait to move back to KC. Stl doesn't feel Southern either, but it doesn't feel Northern. Just All-American
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:38 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Hello!

I just graduated from Drake University in Des Moines, IA. The student body at Drake is mostly composed of students from all over the Midwest, with Chicago, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Kansas City, and Milwaukee probably having the biggest representation. My roommates were from suburbs of Chicago and the Twin Cities and I am from Overland Park, KS (just outside KC). One day I made comment about being from the Midwest and both of them agreed that Kansas City is not the Midwest. In their mind it was lumped in with St. Louis, Nashville, and Memphis and they considered that to be the South. In their minds, the Midwest was composed of the states that touch the Great Lakes from Ohio to Minnesota in addition to Iowa. I had always thought of Kansas as being as Midwestern as Midwestern gets in most people's eyes because of its prominent role in "The Wizard of Oz."

I guess my question is do you consider Kansas City Midwestern, Southern, or Western? Where does the Midwest stop and start to you? My little "argument" with my roommates really just got me thinking about my metro area from a non-local perspective.
I think your friends are confusing the Great Lake States with the Midwest.

You could actually make an argument, that today the name "Midwest" fits Kansas and the Plains states much better than the Great Lake States. While they are all in the "Mid" of the country, the term "west" does not fit so well for states east of the Mississippi like the Great Lakes States. Ohio for instance, is neither trully western or in the middle of the country.

In fact, if you divided the Continental United States into roughly 4 equal parts, the Great Lake States (except maybe Minnesota) would be part of the Northeast! So tell your roomates you are the true blue Midwestener and they are just YANKEES!
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:45 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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Hello!

I just graduated from Drake University in Des Moines, IA. The student body at Drake is mostly composed of students from all over the Midwest, with Chicago, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Kansas City, and Milwaukee probably having the biggest representation. My roommates were from suburbs of Chicago and the Twin Cities and I am from Overland Park, KS (just outside KC). One day I made comment about being from the Midwest and both of them agreed that Kansas City is not the Midwest. In their mind it was lumped in with St. Louis, Nashville, and Memphis and they considered that to be the South. In their minds, the Midwest was composed of the states that touch the Great Lakes from Ohio to Minnesota in addition to Iowa. I had always thought of Kansas as being as Midwestern as Midwestern gets in most people's eyes because of its prominent role in "The Wizard of Oz."

I guess my question is do you consider Kansas City Midwestern, Southern, or Western? Where does the Midwest stop and start to you? My little "argument" with my roommates really just got me thinking about my metro area from a non-local perspective.
Arb003,

Stick to your guns, you're right and they're wrong....Kansas is clearly Midwestern. You won't get overt Southern culture until you get into Oklahoma.
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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Kansas City is solidly Midwestern.

Please try to remember these regions all four of them are quite large by land mass you will have a variation of cultural micro-climates in each of them.

For example, around the Great lakes there may be many that make livings off of fishing and merchant style jobs, and trade with other states and Canada via the Great Lakes, that impacts their day to day life where as that can't be done in say Omaha. The ones living on the Great Lakes areas those small towns might have seafood/aquatic food as their main form of food.

Think about location, Japanese people heavily rely off sea food because they are surrounded by water on all sides. That impacts their way of life, yet they are still the region of East Asia for the Asian continent.

These micro-climates have cultural impacts. Imagine a place with high snowfall like Minneapolis and compare it to say a place like Cincinnati where it's moderate. The limits on what you can do outdoors, or how you celebrate Christmas and other holidays, or where/when you shop are affected by location.

My answer is yes, Kansas City is solidly Midwestern.

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Old 07-14-2010, 05:12 AM
 
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Kansas is, and always has been, a part of the Midwest. Period. If you want to break it down from there, it could be considered a part of the Great Plains, but that doesn't change the fact that it's in the Midwest.
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:31 AM
 
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In their mind it was lumped in with St. Louis, Nashville, and Memphis and they considered that to be the South.
it sounds like you hang out with some ignorant, untraveled people. apparently they aren't taking any geography courses at that school.
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