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Old 12-23-2011, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Whats the Big Deal of claiming Texas being in the South when in reality Texas is part of the Great Southwest.......
Texas is not the Great Southwest....Texas is far more southern than Maryland has ever been. It was the first state to secede in the Civil War, it is dominated by southern dialect, demographics, and culture. Yes it has a lot of Hispanics, but it borders Mexico. Geographically, only southwest and far west Texas lie in the Great Southwest. The rest lies in the Southern Plains. Dallas, Austin, and Houston are undeniably Southern cities.
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Old 12-25-2011, 12:48 PM
 
Location: MIA/DC
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It was the first state to secede in the Civil War
Ever heard of South Carolina?
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Old 12-25-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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Old 12-25-2011, 12:56 PM
 
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Old 12-25-2011, 01:04 PM
 
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States by date of succession

1. South Carolina- 12/20/1860
2. Mississippi- 1/9/1861
3. Florida- 1/10/1861
4. Alabama- 1/11/1861
5. Georgia- 1/19/1861
6. Louisiana- 1/26/1861
7. Texas- 2/1/1861
8. Virginia- 4/17/1861
9. Arkansas- 5/6/1861
10. North Carolina- 5/20/1861
11. Tennessee- 6/8/1861
12. Missouri- 10/31/1861 (exiled government)
13. Kentucky- 11/20/1861

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Old 12-25-2011, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Ever heard of South Carolina?
Forgot about that...Texas supplied the most troops to the Confederacy of any state that seceded though, and it seceded immediately along with the Deep South.
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Old 12-25-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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Forgot about that...Texas supplied the most troops to the Confederacy of any state that seceded though, and it seceded immediately along with the Deep South.
Agreed but it should be noted all major battles were more eastern and states like FL and TX had very small populations leading into the civil war
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Old 12-25-2011, 02:27 PM
 
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Forgot about that...Texas supplied the most troops to the Confederacy of any state that seceded though, and it seceded immediately along with the Deep South.
That's nothing to brag about.

On that note, I consider Texas both southern and southwestern.

As for the northernmost Southern cities, I'd draw the boundary along I71 from Louisville to Cincinnati. They're a blend, but north of that the influence tends to fall.
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Old 12-25-2011, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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States by date of succession

1. South Carolina- 12/20/1860
2. Mississippi- 1/9/1861
3. Florida- 1/10/1861
4. Alabama- 1/11/1861
5. Georgia- 1/19/1861
6. Louisiana- 1/26/1861
7. Texas- 2/1/1861
8. Virginia- 4/17/1861
9. Arkansas- 5/6/1861
10. North Carolina- 5/20/1861
11. Tennessee- 6/8/1861
12. Missouri- 10/31/1861 (exiled government)
13. Kentucky- 11/20/1861

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First off, it's "secession". Second...Missouri and Kentucky were rump and illegal secessions, so counting those is cheating. Both states sent far more troops to the Union. Kentucky, unlike Maryland and Missouri, which cut most of their ties to the south, strengthened its bonds to the south, making it almost definitively southern after the war. And while Maryland may have voted for Breckenridge, it did not secede, and sent far more troops to fight for the Union than for the Confederacy. So the results of the 1860 election are actually not that meaningful. Maryland has not acted like the south politically for a long time.
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Old 12-25-2011, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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That's nothing to brag about.

On that note, I consider Texas both southern and southwestern.

As for the northernmost Southern cities, I'd draw the boundary along I71 from Louisville to Cincinnati. They're a blend, but north of that the influence tends to fall.
Cincinnati is one of the southernmost northern cities. The difference betwee it and Louisville is night and day. I will agree though that the transition zone lies between the two.
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