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Old 01-08-2012, 04:46 AM
 
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Your points really mean nothing. No VA is not 100% southern. Richmond could be passed off as southern but the area around DC is not southern. Richmond looks like Baltimore. I think VA as a state is too up north and should be put in the mid atlantic. Puerto Rican Italians populations really mean nothing. People up there love their bagels and pizza and that is northeastern. Had roommates in college who were from VA and they sounded like Brooklyn kids and called us "country".

And no MD is not technically in the south. The south starts going east from north carolina tenneesee and arkansas. The "mason dixon line" is very outdated and means nothing and never was meant to be a boundary between north and south. Historically MD could have been "southern" but today MD is NOT southern. VA is losing it's southern card as well if it even ever had one. VA beach reminds me of Ocean City and look like an east coast beachtown. I think if anything the mason dixon line should start around richmond, but for me I can safely say that I am in the south when I see the NC welcome sign when I drive down i-95.
So you're leaving Kentucky out of the South? How can Kentucky be anything but Southern? It doesn't even have many Northern transplants like Virginia, Georgia, North Carolina, or Florida.
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Old 01-08-2012, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Question to Northerns: what qualifies a city and/or state to be Northern? (to be answered by every northerner not just new yorkers)
I think nephi215 said it best. There are certain general characteristics more common in southern cities/states than northern cities/states and vice versa. When you look at the demographics of Boston, New York and Philadelphia (historically), they are very different from Washington, DC and Baltimore. I would say Baltimore is more northern than DC because it shares an industrial history with the northern cities as well as some of the immigration from southern and eastern Europe that accompanied that industrialization. DC, on the other hand, experienced nothing of the sort.

Some will say, "But DC is diverse, and very Democratic, and has a subway system, so it's northern." Those things don't make a city northern. There's a big cultural difference between DC and Philadelphia. I would know since I lived in one city and grew up in the other. Is DC southern? I'd say no only because its residents fight tooth and nail not to be viewed in the same light as the toothless, in-bred, uneducated, racists that live in the South. Of course, southerners aren't really toothless, in-bred, uneducated, or any more racist than anyone else, but that's the image DC tries so hard to resist, and that's why threads like these strike such a nerve with them. If someone started a thread called, "Philadelphia Is the South," it would just get laughed off.

DC has been really thirsty to be a part of the North for a while now. It's like a college freshman trying to prove to the upper classmen that he's "worthy" to be a part of the frat.
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Old 01-08-2012, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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LOL you can go ahead and tell yourself md is southern don't be surprised if people laugh at you. And people from MD DC Baltimore do NOT sound southern not even in the slightest. I go to the northeast every year and I have been to md plenty of times it is NOT southern. MD natives will tell you that they are not southern. Baltimore and DC have more in common with Philly Boston and NYC then it does with Atlanta Charlotte New Orleans Memphis. Maryland is JUST like rude new jersey and new york. I am from Georgia and I did not feel at home in MD or VA. naturally these states have more in common with pa ny and new england. Same weather same politics same accents same culture(fast paced and rude) same identity.

DC is just like NYC DC suburbs remind me heavily of long island and westchester county ny
Baltimore is just like Philly and Boston
Outside of Northern Virginia, Virginia is very much a part of the south. Charlottesville and Fredericksburg shouldn't feel that different culturally to someone from Georgia. 2/3 of West Virginia, Virginia, and 3/4 of Kentucky all qualify as southern.
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Old 01-08-2012, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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I think nephi215 said it best. There are certain general characteristics more common in southern cities/states than northern cities/states and vice versa. When you look at the demographics of Boston, New York and Philadelphia (historically), they are very different from Washington, DC and Baltimore. I would say Baltimore is more northern than DC because it shares an industrial history with the northern cities as well as some of the immigration from southern and eastern Europe that accompanied that industrialization. DC, on the other hand, experienced nothing of the sort.

Some will say, "But DC is diverse, and very Democratic, and has a subway system, so it's northern." Those things don't make a city northern. There's a big cultural difference between DC and Philadelphia. I would know since I lived in one city and grew up in the other. Is DC southern? I'd say no only because its residents fight tooth and nail not to be viewed in the same light as the toothless, in-bred, uneducated, racists that live in the South. Of course, southerners aren't really toothless, in-bred, uneducated, or any more racist than anyone else, but that's the image DC tries so hard to resist, and that's why threads like these strike such a nerve with them. If someone started a thread called, "Philadelphia Is the South," it would just get laughed off.

DC has been really thirsty to be a part of the North for a while now. It's like a college freshman trying to prove to the upper classmen that he's "worthy" to be a part of the frat.
I never noticed any major difference between DC or Baltimore. They are now part of the same metro area even practically. Having relatives living in DC, I can say positively there is nothing culturally southern or in terms of speech patterns, southern about D.C. It is very much a part of the northeast, and the southernmost point of the Northeastern seaboard (the Bos-Wash corridor).
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Old 01-09-2012, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I never noticed any major difference between DC or Baltimore.
You've clearly never lived in the area then.

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They are now part of the same metro area even practically.
No.

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Having relatives living in DC, I can say positively there is nothing culturally southern or in terms of speech patterns, southern about D.C. It is very much a part of the northeast, and the southernmost point of the Northeastern seaboard (the Bos-Wash corridor).
Having lived in the District of Columbia for five years, in addition to having family there, I can positively say that it's not a part of the Northeast. Philadelphia is the southernmost point of the Northeast.


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Very different style and attitude. Philadelphians are much more flamboyant. Very different accents and speech patterns. Many more "Hey, mamis," "Yahmeans," and use of the word "bonkers," which is usually pronounced "bonkas" lol. Philadelphians also have a very strong Italian influence that also affects our speech and mannerisms.
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Old 01-09-2012, 11:35 AM
 
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^ see, this is where the confusion comes in. Some people are talking about the white folks in DC, some people are talking about the black folks. The white people are most definitely Northern. But to me, just because the black people in a city have a Southern accent, it doesn't mean that the city is Southern. Black people in Chicago talk a lot like black people in Memphis, but Chicago is not Southern at all.
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Old 01-09-2012, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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But they're not "northern." This is northern.


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Old 01-09-2012, 11:55 AM
 
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^ Many Midwesterners dont have a Northeastern accent, but they're still Northern. They're definitely not Southern. DC has a lack of an accent because so many people move there from various places.
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Old 01-09-2012, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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^ Many Midwesterners dont have a Northeastern accent, but they're still Northern. They're definitely not Southern. DC has a lack of an accent because so many people move there from various places.
Midwesterns are Midwesterners. They aren't "Northerners" the way people on the East Coast think of the term.

And not southern does not equal "northern." Most of DC's white population is affluent and transient, so you're not going to hear a local accent inside of the Beltway. But if you travel out to Manassas or deep out in Calvert or St. Mary's County, MD, the whites there are lower-class, have been there for generations, and typically have southern-sounding accents. Many of them are what the educated, liberal elite would refer to as "rednecks."
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Old 01-09-2012, 12:06 PM
 
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so many people move there from various places.
The same is true for NYC. The obvious difference being that NYC has identifiably northern features and history, and DC does not. DC might as well be a California city misplaced. Well not quite California, but that would be about the closest equivalent.
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