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View Poll Results: Which one do you think best explains the situation?
New York City & Philadelphia are more connected to their home states areas and cities (New York & Pennsylvania) 6 12.00%
New York City & Philadelphia are better connected to the suburbs & Satellite cities in their MSA's (New Jersey, Delaware, Connecticut) 40 80.00%
Other option/don't really know 4 8.00%
Voters: 50. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-30-2010, 07:01 PM
 
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I'm a little confused...isn't the Allentown/Bethlehem MSA ~ 850,000 whereas Pittsburgh is close to 2.5 million? That's a big difference! I mean, I know the comparison is going to draw differences of opinion, but it's not that much of a stretch...

One the difference is relative to IL, Allentown/Beth (Not to mention Lancaster and Reading are also right next door) is right next door to Philly, I mean 40 miles, and two the population differance between A/B is far closer than is between Philly and Pittsburgh
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Old 09-01-2010, 01:13 AM
 
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I think the majority of Philadelphia's attention stays in Pennsylvania, especially since there's a 2:1 ratio of metro population in Pennsylvania versus the other states. As for Chicago, it likely benefits from not having a "Pittsburgh" in another part of Illinois. If Rockford is the largest town outside the Chicagoland area, then it's now wonder why Chicago runs the state.
But Philadelphia has a lot of suburbs across the state line in (south) Jersey. People in Philadelphia don't really think about Pittsburgh that much. They think abot New Jersey and New York a lot more.
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:38 PM
 
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This is completely untrue. I used to live in the state capitol, had plenty of friends who worked in state government and I can tell you nearly every bill passed in the state legislature has some sort of special exemption or pet project for Philadelphia or Allegheny county. Both major metropolitan areas in Pennsylvania get their fair share, in my opinion.
Which would explain why the City and Septa are consistently underfunded and having to make budget cuts for the past several years..??
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:41 PM
 
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The same could be said for any large metro area in comparison to the rest of relatively large and rural state. Is Chicagoland exactly like the rest of Illinois? How about the NY metro area in comparison to a place like Utica or Syracuse? How about the Bay Area compared to Fresno?

Sorry, but I just get a bit annoyed when I hear comments like that. Despite its differences compared to a place like Erie (although there are indeed similarities to other cities in the state that are often overlooked/downplayed), Philadelphia is quintessentially Pennsylvania.
James Carville is a political analyst. He was referring to the state in terms of political leanings. Without Philadelphia or Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania would rival Texas as a Red State. So no, Philadelphia is not quintessentially Pennsylvania in that respect.
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Old 09-01-2010, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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James Carville is a political analyst. He was referring to the state in terms of political leanings. Without Philadelphia or Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania would rival Texas as a Red State. So no, Philadelphia is not quintessentially Pennsylvania in that respect.
I understand who James Carville is, but that doesn't contradict my point (and, once again, the same could be said about about many blue states when factoring out large cities/metro areas).

Regardless of differences -- including voting tendencies -- Philly is inextricably woven into PA's cultural fabric.
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