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View Poll Results: Which one do you think best explains the situation?
New York City & Philadelphia are more connected to their home states areas and cities (New York & Pennsylvania) 6 12.24%
New York City & Philadelphia are better connected to the suburbs & Satellite cities in their MSA's (New Jersey, Delaware, Connecticut) 39 79.59%
Other option/don't really know 4 8.16%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-19-2010, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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This is a pretty interesting topic. I am curious, since I like in a state that does not overlap it's metropolitan area in another state. Texas (outside of El Paso- and for small cities Texarkana) does not. Illinois does with Chicagoland, but it's not as dramatic as Philadelphia & New York City and their connection with New Jersey, Delaware, & Connecticut.

The question is simple: Are Philadelphia & New York City (in modern times) more connected to their own states (New York & Pennsylvania) or to the states included in their metropolitan areas (MSA's)?
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Old 07-19-2010, 06:57 AM
 
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By accident of geography, both NYC and PHL are across the river from NJ. New York especially since a major airport is in NJ and linked by rail. Philadelphia is within an hour or two from Atlantic City and other Jersey Shore destinations. By contrast, Chicago is adjacent to Indiana, but its downtown is not.
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Old 07-19-2010, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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By accident of geography, both NYC and PHL are across the river from NJ. New York especially since a major airport is in NJ and linked by rail. Philadelphia is within an hour or two from Atlantic City and other Jersey Shore destinations. By contrast, Chicago is adjacent to Indiana, but its downtown is not.
Chicago regarding Indiana & Wisconsin and how strong their bond is, I wouldn't say that it comes anywhere near Philadelphia with Delaware & New Jersey, and New York City with New Jersey & Connecticut.

Chicago is still more linked to Illinois it seems. Springfield & Rockford revolve around it. Because Chicago is undoubtedly in charge of it's state. New York City despite being the largest city in not only it's state and our country does not share a Chicago/Rockford type of relationship with say Buffalo or Rochester.

With New York, Upstate & New York City seem to have some conflict. New York City does not make the center of revolution for cities like Buffalo, Rochester, & Syracuse it seems as New York City has more ties with Newark, Hoboken, etc.. than it does with it's Upstate brethren.

With Pennsylvania Pittsburgh seems to be far more independent of Philadelphia, and Philadelphia seems more linked too it's suburbs in two other states.
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Old 07-19-2010, 01:10 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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I think the majority of Philadelphia's attention stays in Pennsylvania, especially since there's a 2:1 ratio of metro population in Pennsylvania versus the other states. As for Chicago, it likely benefits from not having a "Pittsburgh" in another part of Illinois. If Rockford is the largest town outside the Chicagoland area, then it's now wonder why Chicago runs the state.
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Old 07-19-2010, 02:30 PM
 
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New York City & Philadelphia are better connected to the suburbs & Satellite cities in their MSA's (New Jersey, Delaware, Connecticut)
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Old 07-19-2010, 05:39 PM
 
Location: THE THRONE aka-New York City
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Chicago regarding Indiana & Wisconsin and how strong their bond is, I wouldn't say that it comes anywhere near Philadelphia with Delaware & New Jersey, and New York City with New Jersey & Connecticut.

Chicago is still more linked to Illinois it seems. Springfield & Rockford revolve around it. Because Chicago is undoubtedly in charge of it's state. New York City despite being the largest city in not only it's state and our country does not share a Chicago/Rockford type of relationship with say Buffalo or Rochester.

With New York, Upstate & New York City seem to have some conflict. New York City does not make the center of revolution for cities like Buffalo, Rochester, & Syracuse it seems as New York City has more ties with Newark, Hoboken, etc.. than it does with it's Upstate brethren.

With Pennsylvania Pittsburgh seems to be far more independent of Philadelphia, and Philadelphia seems more linked too it's suburbs in two other states.
The only reason for that is because of the vast distances between nyc and buffalo. If im driving to buffalo from nyc, i mines well hit up toronto aswell. But NYC still has a huge connection with the state by way of westchester county,long island and albany people forget that. Nyc has a big connection with downstate new york
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:12 AM
 
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Political commentator/consultant James Carville said it best...."Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with Alabama in between". Philadelphia shares little commonality with the rest of the state and should really consider annexation by New Jersey. The Philadelphia region accounts for 2/3 of the state's revenue and consistently has to beg, borrow and plead for state funding.
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Old 07-20-2010, 11:08 AM
 
Location: St Paul, MN - NJ's Gold Coast
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NY and NJ share the Port Authority of NY/NJ, together they share:

Newark/JFK/LGA Airports (plus other smaller ones in the area)
PATH (NJ/NY)
Port Authority Bus Terminal in Times Square
They shared the World Trade Center
Airtran/train
The Port Authority Police force
Trading/Sea ports in Elizabeth/Newark and Brooklyn/Staten Island
The NYC metro area cruise port in Bayonne
Lincoln/Holland tunnels
George Washington Bridge

If someone in NYC doesn't work in NYC, they most likely work in NJ.
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I think Philadelphia is more tied with PA more so than NJ. Though the shore gets a huge crowd of Philadelphians- Plus Trenton and Philly helped eachother grow way back when. Trenton was the hub of the steel industry hence it's slogan "Trenton makes the world takes" so Philly got a lot of its building material from Trenton as a reliable source.
New Jersey and Philadelphia's connection simmered down ever since the 60s-70s- But it's still strong none the less, just not as strong as NYC-NNJ. (mainly because Camden turned to $h!t)

Atlantic City/Wildwood/Seaside/Cape May serves as quick get-a-way locations for the whole Mid Atlantic region including NYC/Philly.
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Old 07-20-2010, 01:18 PM
 
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Political commentator/consultant James Carville said it best...."Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with Alabama in between".
Almost 20 years ago.
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Old 07-20-2010, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Center City Philadelphia
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Political commentator/consultant James Carville said it best...."Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with Alabama in between". Philadelphia shares little commonality with the rest of the state and should really consider annexation by New Jersey. The Philadelphia region accounts for 2/3 of the state's revenue and consistently has to beg, borrow and plead for state funding.
This is completely untrue. I used to live in the state capitol, had plenty of friends who worked in state government and I can tell you nearly every bill passed in the state legislature has some sort of special exemption or pet project for Philadelphia or Allegheny county. Both major metropolitan areas in Pennsylvania get their fair share, in my opinion.
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