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Old 07-22-2010, 01:49 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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Younger Americans, I'm going to say those born after 1980, seem less religious than older Americans, don't you agree?
I am 20 years old. And I am not religious. I view it as an option, an option that I don't need right now.
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Old 07-22-2010, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Phoenix Arizona
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All wars are about money. Religion's been big for most of history so many wars causes were framed in the vocabulary of religion. Say the world goes mostly atheist, there'd still be just as many wars but those in power would use different justifications, different terminology. Any society's elite don't really care about religious issues, they care about preserving their elite status. They let on like they really care about the egalitarian, pacifist teaching of their religion's founder, when in reality they're the ultra-greed capitalist types with no conscience for the suffering of others. Blaming religion for war is like blaming one racial group for crime because some of that race commit a lot of crime(all races/groups have criminal elements).
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Old 07-22-2010, 02:51 AM
 
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You're right, but religious wars tend to be more brutal, stomach turning wars. I'm not saying that other wars that have no relation with religion aren't sickening, but their main goal isn't to exterminate a group of innocent people the way Al Qaeda and Nazi's were/are forced to do..
There is no war between Al-Qaeda and another power. It is a terrorist organization and one that I will grant you, uses violence in the name of religion (Islam and political Islamism), but when you look further into the goals of many Islamist organizations - the expulsion of U.S. military forces/bases from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf nations, the end of American involvement in the economic and political structures of Middle Eastern nations, and the cessation of U.S. backing of the Israeli military machine - you realize that many of the immediate and overt goals of groups such as Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Hamas are political, rather than religious, in nature.

I'm not sure what the Nazis have to do with anything. National Socialism has very little to do with religion, and the conflict between German nationalists and ethnic Jews during the Third Reich era was racial and political, not religious. You act as if Hitler was a Christian supremacist bent on creating a theocracy. World War II had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with a final battle for influence in Europe and Asia, the quest for empire, racial and economic conflicts that resulted from WWI, and a desire of nations to assert their role in geopolitics through force of arms.
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Old 07-22-2010, 05:58 AM
 
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I am one of those under 30 who are not religious. I grew up going to catholic school and going to church and was sick of having the religion shoved down my throat. I am not a person of faith but a person who needs proof of things.
Out of my peers, many are not religious, some are religious but don't practice. They are the types who go to church on xmas and that is about it.
I'd say overall, the younger generation is not into religion like they used to be.
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:29 AM
 
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I am one of those under 30 who are not religious. I grew up going to catholic school and going to church and was sick of having the religion shoved down my throat. I am not a person of faith but a person who needs proof of things.
Out of my peers, many are not religious, some are religious but don't practice. They are the types who go to church on xmas and that is about it.
I'd say overall, the younger generation is not into religion like they used to be.
I didn't grow up Catholic at all, but I've definitely noticed that of all my friends who are/were Catholic, the more invested their family was in the church growing up, the more they all feverishly turned away from it once they hit 18 and were adults.

Most of my friends grew up Catholic, and only two of them currently (at 30 years old) have ANYTHING to do with the church, and they're definitely on the fence.

I'm thinking the Catholics need to seriously revamp their strict views to modern day rational and thinking - or they're just going to be in more and more trouble than they are now.
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Old 07-22-2010, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Well I'll throw in my two cents, since I was born after 1980.

My immediate family is mainly Catholic and not overly religious; however, I went to Catholic schools from Kindergarten through High School. The quality of education was great. But as I've grown up and began to think for myself, I consider myself more of an Agnostic. I don't believe there is enough evidence to believe in God; however, there isn't enough evidence to not believe in a supreme being. I'm kind of in limbo, I guess. I am not a fan of organized religion (especially these extremist Christian, Islamic, Jewish, etc. congregations). But there are legimate religious organizations out there that do wonderful community service projects.
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Old 07-22-2010, 11:56 AM
 
Location: St Paul, MN - NJ's Gold Coast
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There is no war between Al-Qaeda and another power. It is a terrorist organization and one that I will grant you, uses violence in the name of religion (Islam and political Islamism), but when you look further into the goals of many Islamist organizations - the expulsion of U.S. military forces/bases from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf nations, the end of American involvement in the economic and political structures of Middle Eastern nations, and the cessation of U.S. backing of the Israeli military machine - you realize that many of the immediate and overt goals of groups such as Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Hamas are political, rather than religious, in nature.

I'm not sure what the Nazis have to do with anything. National Socialism has very little to do with religion, and the conflict between German nationalists and ethnic Jews during the Third Reich era was racial and political, not religious. You act as if Hitler was a Christian supremacist bent on creating a theocracy. World War II had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with a final battle for influence in Europe and Asia, the quest for empire, racial and economic conflicts that resulted from WWI, and a desire of nations to assert their role in geopolitics through force of arms.
Well I never really meant to say that Al Qaeda have wars, but they do lead to them regardless. Of course the government is involved, but the fact that they use religion to brainwash people to cooporate is the reason why they "eliminate" all thes power groups. So religion does in fact play a huge role in all of Al Quada's members, they think they're doing what they're doing for Allah.

I mentioned the Nazi's because, like Al Qaeda, Jews are the biggest target. Whatever the case, Jews were slaughtered for being "Jewish"- Jewish is not race/ethnicity it's culture and or religion. Hiter thought the Jews threatened the human race, or whatever, and thought that their ideals were harmful to society. It might not be soley based on religion, but it's the Jews that followed those idealologies- not Christians/Catholics.
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Old 07-22-2010, 12:09 PM
 
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I didn't grow up Catholic at all, but I've definitely noticed that of all my friends who are/were Catholic, the more invested their family was in the church growing up, the more they all feverishly turned away from it once they hit 18 and were adults.

Most of my friends grew up Catholic, and only two of them currently (at 30 years old) have ANYTHING to do with the church, and they're definitely on the fence.

I'm thinking the Catholics need to seriously revamp their strict views to modern day rational and thinking - or they're just going to be in more and more trouble than they are now.
I have little experience with other churches, but growing up in catholic schools and churches made me fear life. The priests and teachers made people feel guilty for being alive. Not to mention the services are extremely boring and do not keep my attention.
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Old 07-22-2010, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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It seems like a lot of the young wipper snappers in my town spend a fair amount of time praying to the porecelain god and seeing visions.
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Old 07-22-2010, 01:49 PM
 
Location: STL
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I was born in the mid 90's and I'm hardly religious. This is mainly due to the fact that neither of my parents are that religious so I just took from them.
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