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Old 07-24-2010, 09:57 PM
hsw
 
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Meaningless stats

Define middle income and define a middle income standard of living (US middle-income suburbia often has a superior SOL vs allegedly wealthy SOL in EU/Asia)

And consider how many of today's wealthiest in US are relatively young guys who grew up in middle-income suburbia all over US and figured out how to make a few bucks without handouts from daddy or other taxpayers

Nowhere in world has as much upward mobility as does US for those willing to work to achieve, despite what commies in media/govt would like to claim

Entitlement nonsense is stuff of a welfare state, like US' unionized gvt "workers" or EU slackers
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Old 07-24-2010, 10:48 PM
 
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In denial? keep believing the lies.
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Old 07-25-2010, 10:34 AM
 
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There are changes going on, but a lot of this is because of how people are approaching the subject.

Basically the rich are getting a LOT LOT richer. Statistically everyone else is further down the ladder compared to the top rung, but that doesn't exactly mean their standards of living are crashing like they have in Russia and some other places since the 1980's.

It's like comparing the heights of people in a town, and then brining in a family where they're all 7'6" tall. Everyone else didn't actually get a lot "shorter", but it looks worrisome when you look at the bar graph and standard diviations.


I would agree though that on average people can't achieve what they had in the 1950's and 1960's with the same jobs. We were for the most part the ONLY large wealthy country that made it though WWII without being decimated. In fact we were the opposite of almost everyone else. The dust settled and we were suddenly standing all alone at the top. We had over half of the worlds intact industrial base. Realistically we couldn't hold that advantage forever - people would finally catch up. When that does and did happen we have to work even harder to keep our standards in place.
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Old 07-25-2010, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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Meaningless stats

Define middle income and define a middle income standard of living (US middle-income suburbia often has a superior SOL vs allegedly wealthy SOL in EU/Asia)

And consider how many of today's wealthiest in US are relatively young guys who grew up in middle-income suburbia all over US and figured out how to make a few bucks without handouts from daddy or other taxpayers

Nowhere in world has as much upward mobility as does US for those willing to work to achieve, despite what commies in media/govt would like to claim

Entitlement nonsense is stuff of a welfare state, like US' unionized gvt "workers" or EU slackers
LOL @ the highlighted statement. Those "middle-income" suburbanites are the same crooks who go to work on Wall Street and gamble away our retirement pensions, all while receiving massive gov't handouts. Our country privatizes profit and socializes losses. It's a great system for those at the top, but not so much for people on the bottom like me.
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Old 07-25-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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There are changes going on, but a lot of this is because of how people are approaching the subject.

Basically the rich are getting a LOT LOT richer. Statistically everyone else is further down the ladder compared to the top rung, but that doesn't exactly mean their standards of living are crashing like they have in Russia and some other places since the 1980's.

It's like comparing the heights of people in a town, and then brining in a family where they're all 7'6" tall. Everyone else didn't actually get a lot "shorter", but it looks worrisome when you look at the bar graph and standard diviations.
I strongly disagree. Money doesn't materialize out of thin air. If the wealthy are suddenly that much wealthier, then it has to be coming from somewhere.
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Old 07-25-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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LOL @ the highlighted statement. Those "middle-income" suburbanites are the same crooks who go to work on Wall Street and gamble away our retirement pensions, all while receiving massive gov't handouts. Our country privatizes profit and socializes losses. It's a great system for those at the top, but not so much for people on the bottom like me.
LOL at the highlighted
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Old 07-25-2010, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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LOL at the highlighted
Would you care to elaborate on your sentiment, or should I just assume that you have no real argument to make?
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Old 07-25-2010, 12:18 PM
 
Location: moving again
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Would you care to elaborate on your sentiment, or should I just assume that you have no real argument to make?
Sure! middle class = pigs in your mind. I think that is judgmental and ridiculous. Being mad at the wealthy because you are not deserves an LOL in my opinion.
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Old 07-25-2010, 12:19 PM
 
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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Default Mind over matter

I tend to believe the more I worry about ending up in the poor house, the more it becomes reality. The more I focus on confidence in job security and adapting to change yet accept where I am in life with gratitude, the more room there is to grow. It's this kind of hysteria that breeds unemployment numbers because the media would rather not focus on constructive progress, solutions, and most of all truth. I don't subscribe to that crap, it just brings you down. There are so many oppurtunities to be had, and neither the media nor the government are going to hand them out.
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Old 07-25-2010, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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Sure! middle class = pigs in your mind. I think that is judgmental and ridiculous. Being mad at the wealthy because you are not deserves an LOL in my opinion.
Middle class = non-existent

Maybe you can ignore facts and statistics, but I can't. The wealthy continue to game the system and wield an undue amount of influence over the politicians in our country. If you're an American and you don't hate the rich, then you're not paying enough attention to what's going on around you.
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