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Old 07-27-2010, 10:22 PM
 
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Try looking back to the early 70's and the CRA and HMDA which were enacted under Democratic Congress. That is where the mess started.

Both parties are to blame, don't try to put it on a select few.

And stop playing the race card it just looks foolish.

I couldn't have said it better myself. The CRA is especially responsible for the crap we're in.
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Old 07-27-2010, 10:25 PM
 
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Where you asleep on on another planet during his regime?

What about the lies about invading Iraq? Killing and maiming and displacing millions of innocent people that had nothing to do with 9-11 . While allowing Osama and his team free reign in Afganistan.

George W Bush and Richard Cheney are responsible for killing more Americans ( soldiers ) than Osama Bin Laden. We had no business there....all for the love of oil. And at the end China Petroleum got all the contracts and holds the debt we piled up.

Alkll of this foolish engagements has alienated more people against America, giving terrorist more reasons tio target the US. We are disrespected even by Canadians.
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Old 07-27-2010, 10:35 PM
 
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^This isn't an argument about Bush and the wars, this is an argument about whether the middle class is better served by progressive or conservative economic policies. I will gladly debate you about Iraq and Afgahnistan, but not here. Now please get back on track and tell me how progressive economic policies help the country. Whether or not Bush lied about WMD's in Iraq has nothing to do with the fact that Obama's progressive anti-business policies have killed jobs and forced companies to move oversees to avoid excessive taxes and punitive regulations.
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Old 07-27-2010, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Soon to be Southlake, TX
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Where you asleep on on another planet during his regime?

What about the lies about invading Iraq? Killing and maiming and displacing millions of innocent people that had nothing to do with 9-11 . While allowing Osama and his team free reign in Afganistan.

George W Bush and Richard Cheney are responsible for killing more Americans ( soldiers ) than Osama Bin Laden. We had no business there....all for the love of oil. And at the end China Petroleum got all the contracts and holds the debt we piled up.

Alkll of this foolish engagements has alienated more people against America, giving terrorist more reasons tio target the US. We are disrespected even by Canadians.
Lies huh? You are so ignorant it is actually annoying. What about Hussein and his genocides? Why are you not upset about that? He has killed more of his own people than the U.S. and our allies have. Read up on the Halabja poison gas. And are you completely ignorant of Hussein's violation of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441 and his U.N. violations after the Cold War? Of course that featherweight Clinton did nothing about it so we had to wait until Bush did. What has Bush done? Hussein is executed and there is now more of a democracy in Iraq than before. The war is legal it is Iraq who was in the wrong.

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Old 07-27-2010, 10:41 PM
 
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Dude, that's another argument for another thread. I agree with you but this is a thread about the middle class and how Obama's anti-business policies are killing it. I want to here this guy's rebbutal to that because he hasn't said anything yet that's even tried to refute me in any logical way.
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Old 07-27-2010, 11:24 PM
 
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OK heres some reading for you to get back on the topic.:

The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush | Politics | Vanity Fair
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Old 07-27-2010, 11:34 PM
 
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Audit: US cannot account for $8.7B in Iraqi funds
Audit: US cannot account for $8.7B in Iraqi funds - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100728/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq - broken link)

How many teachers can remain on the payrol with all of this wasted money? How many jobs could have we saved? how many bridges could we have built? How many small business loans might have we loaned?

How much of that is owned to our Chinese Bankers?
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Old 07-27-2010, 11:57 PM
 
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First of all, the least you could do is type your own arguments instead of google searching for anything that supports your position and the linking to it on here. And seriously, is Vanity Fair the best you could find? And from 2007 - is that the most recent you could find?

Just for the hell of it though, I'll respond to the Vanit Fair article:

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national debt that will probably have grown 70 percent by the time this president (Bush)leaves Washington
That is true and I think this was a huge irresponsibility by the President, but honestly Obama has spent way more. Over eight years, Bush expanded the federal budget by 700 billion. Obama expanded it by 1 trillion in one year.



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with distress: a tax code that has become hideously biased in favor of the rich
If the tax code didn't favor the rich, they'd just move there money (And jobs that money provides) to another country. Plus, the more you tax the rich, the less tax revenue the government takes in. Ever here of the laffer curve?



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the United States is less prepared than ever to face the future. We have not been educating enough engineers and scientists, people with the skills we will need to compete with China and India.
You can thank the teachers unions for our failing education system. School choice and vouchers is the answer but I don't see liberals seeking these. Schools have become more about providing a place of employment to unionized adults than about providing an education for ourr children. Seeing how unions fund the Democratic party, the Dems will continue to follow this path because what's the point on helping out the children- the children don't donate to Democratic election campaigns.

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oil prices that are higher than they have ever been
And Bush controls this how? The oil companies set prices based on demand and whatever OPEC is doing, not based on what Bush tells them to like many liberals would like to believe.

And hey, how's that stimulus workign out for you?


Need I go on? Please respnd with your own arguments next time and don't link to other sites.

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Old 07-29-2010, 07:19 AM
 
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Given in the last decade how many Americans acted so greedy, had to have everything they want "just because," and bought into the materialistic messages of celebrity living and glam rap as a measure of their own worth, the real question is does America deserve a middle class?
Interesting question, as maybe individual greed and living outside of one's means could be a part of the problem too.
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Old 07-29-2010, 04:56 PM
 
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Try looking back to the early 70's and the CRA and HMDA which were enacted under Democratic Congress. That is where the mess started.

Both parties are to blame, don't try to put it on a select few.

And stop playing the race card it just looks foolish.
What are the acronyms CRA and HMDA?
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