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Old 08-05-2010, 09:00 PM
 
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Also considering race-riots that have occurred in cities I'm not sure it's entirely fair that cities are all homes of tolerant and open-minded people.
Race riots are usually less about race than they seem, it usually had to do with economic conditions; businessmen would often bring in blacks from the south by trainloads to break strikes [since they were cheaper workers and would work during a strike], "tolerant and open-minded" means the strikers would lose and often retaliated violently against the scabs. So race riots are kind of a misnomer, it's not quite that some city people for some reason weren't "tolerant and open-minded."
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Old 08-05-2010, 11:38 PM
 
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While reading this, I realized I have almost evrey characteristic of a liberal city-slicker yet I'm about as conservative as can be. I have lived my entire life in St Paul except for four years going to college in Madison, enjoy the liberal arts and history in particular, have a graduate deegree, enjoy diversity and meeting different people, am bored out of my mind every time I enter the suburbs, and attend cultural events and like art.
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Old 08-06-2010, 06:03 AM
 
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I don't think conservatives are necessarily intolerant. Tolerance can simply mean "I don't like what you're doing, but I will tolerate it." A tolerant person could support Lawrence v Texas (ending anti-sodomy laws) but oppose same-sex marriage because they see that as validating rather than just tolerating. Or tolerate Islam, but dislike any public acknowledgment of Islam or mosques being in their neighborhood.

Also an intolerant person can keep things to themselves or learn to put other things first. My Dad is very homophobic and fairly anti-Islam. He was like that as a young man in Kansas City too. Interestingly it was in a smaller town where he first had to work with a gay guy, in fairness KC in the Kennedy era gay guys he saw were going to places clandestinely, and although he "tolerated" the gay guy he worked with he still tended to say that all gay men should be placed in mental institutions. Which is maybe a bit of a change, initially he said executed, but not exactly acceptance.

Also considering race-riots that have occurred in cities I'm not sure it's entirely fair that cities are all homes of tolerant and open-minded people.
I don't know that this really gets at the heart of what tolerance is all about. Simply thinking someone shouldn't be executed for a lifestyle or heritage you disagree with.... that's not exactly a high bar to overcome.

Maybe we should say that liberal folks tend to enjoy diversity and be more supportive of equal rights and equal protection more than many social conservatives.
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Old 08-06-2010, 06:08 AM
 
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I'm not interested in talking about politics, or about the pros/cons of "liberalism," but I am interested in knowing why urban areas seem to be more liberal and rural areas tend to be more conservative. What's your take? Thanks!
Educated, versus not. And when I say educated, I mean a broad curriculum versus readin', writin' and religion.
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Old 08-06-2010, 08:49 AM
 
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While reading this, I realized I have almost evrey characteristic of a liberal city-slicker yet I'm about as conservative as can be. I have lived my entire life in St Paul except for four years going to college in Madison, enjoy the liberal arts and history in particular, have a graduate deegree, enjoy diversity and meeting different people, am bored out of my mind every time I enter the suburbs, and attend cultural events and like art.
As a St Paulite, this makes me happy! Sounds like the city did its job, which is not to turn out more "liberals", but to turn out open-minded people who appreciate culture and diversity and can think for themselves! (Please tell me you are a graduate of St Paul Public Schools ).
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