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It's certainly more established as a bigger city for a longer period of time, but I'd assume GDP, population, national presence, etc. as well. They are close though, I'll give you that.
The city of San Antonio has a population of 1.4 million, the city of Portland has half a million.
San Antonio is way bigger. Plus San Antonio has more land area. The city is quite sprawling.
They almost got the Twins in the late 1990's! I remember, at the time, the Charlotte mega-region had like 10 million potential viewers to Mpls' 5 million. I bet those numbes are much different now, and most of the change would benefit Charlotte. I'm not sure if that situation were to come up again today with the same circumstances that the Twins wouldn't be in Charlotte...
No, Charlotte did not almost get the Twins. Carl Pohlad had threatened to sell the team to a NC businessman who was going to locate the Twins near Winston-Salem (). The whole idea of the Twins moving to NC was a scheme to get a new ballpark. MN called Pohlad's bluff, the "deal" fell through, and Pohlad kept the Twins in MN.
Charlotte is already over saturated with with the NFL and NBA.
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The city of San Antonio has a population of 1.4 million, the city of Portland has half a million.
San Antonio is way bigger. Plus San Antonio has more land area. The city is quite sprawling.
Not again! City proper size means nothing. From now on I'll either say metro [city] or media market [city] so we're clear. Again, San Antonio is bigger than San Francisco, but do you seriously think it's more important?
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No, Charlotte did not almost get the Twins. Carl Pohlad had threatened to sell the team to a NC businessman who was going to locate the Twins near Winston-Salem (). The whole idea of the Twins moving to NC was a scheme to get a new ballpark. MN called Pohlad's bluff, the "deal" fell through, and Pohlad kept the Twins in MN.
Charlotte is already over saturated with with the NFL and NBA.
What do you mean "no"? No what? That they weren't going to potentially relocate -- that's news to me?
Not again! City proper size means nothing. From now on I'll either say metro [city] or media market [city] so we're clear. Again, San Antonio is bigger than San Francisco, but do you seriously think it's more important?
But 1.4 million people is a lot by itself. Many metros are that size. It isn't some mid sized city below 500,000.
I said Portland, mostly because it's largest but also because the AL West only has 4 teams and needs a 5th.
Good point. Not to mention, the state of Oregon only has one professional sports team (at least counting NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL). All the other cities on the list (except SLC and OKC) are from states that already have two or more professional teams.
Baseball is too hard for almost any city on the list to support. It requires a large population base to thrive so only San Jose really makes sense. The really effective thing to do would be put another team in already established bases like a third team in the NYC or LA area, but with territory rights and all that is not going to happen. Southern California could easily support six teams instead of the three they have right now and the corridor between DC and Boston could probably double their team base and get enough support as well, just as long as the stadiums are strategically placed.
Change the discussion to any other major league sport and the answers are much different. Any city with 1 million in the metro area COULD support an NBA, NHL or NFL team, but at times they do not for various reasons. But when it comes to baseball where you have to fill up a large stadium 81 times and get people to tune in 162 times a year, lots more potential customers are needed.
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^I tend to agree, and it's mostly because there are 160 games at 40K a piece equals a lot of attendance with discretionary income....so it needs a healthy population to survive (not to mention a winning team).
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). The whole idea of the Twins moving to NC was a scheme to get a new ballpark. MN called Pohlad's bluff, the "deal" fell through, and Pohlad kept the Twins in MN. 
