My definition of Midwest (architecture, medical, architect)

[slengel]

geechi apparently ignores an excerpt from his own source:

"Also, people from Chicago are known to have their own "nasal" accent. The same is true of St. Louis."

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by slengel

geechi north, you obviously haven't ever taken a course in linguistics. mike shannon's dialect actually has more northern characteristics than southern. nevertheless, here are a few additional examples of a st. louis city dialect:

steve conway comes from a long line of st. louis city politicians:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEf-hWwZupw

mayor francis slay:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmqqHKMwsC8

actor john goodman comes from a very working class inner-ring st. louis suburb:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsO1Qonw-ko

bob kuban, known for his 1960s hit "the cheater" is a born and bred st. louis native:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-4w7B1TTwY

if you want more, i'll find some more.

Excellent examples of classic STL accent.

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by kshe95girl

Really?
Again, you seem to be missing the point, we are not speaking of the state as a whole, but a particular segment of the state of Missouri.

http://www.city-data.com/county/reli...s-city-MO.html


http://www.city-data.com/county/reli...County-MO.html

"Catholic Church
]9 congregations: 1.68% of state's Catholic Church's 537 congregations 8,863 adherents: 1.03% of state's Catholic Church's 856,964 adherents.

Southern Baptist Convention 15 congregations: 0.80% of state's Southern Baptist Convention's 1,884 congregations.

]3,287 adherents: 0.41% of state's Southern Baptist Convention's 797,732 adherents.

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church, colloquially Mormon Church)
1 congregations: 0.81% of state's Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church, colloquially Mormon Church)'s 124 congregations.
314 adherents: 0.77% of state's Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church, colloquially Mormon Church)'s 41,014 adherents.
[]Lutheran Church[/LEFT]
]1 congregations: 0.32% of state's Lutheran Church's 311 congregations.[]218 adherents: 0.16% of state's Lutheran Church's 140,315 adherents.

]Presbyterian Church (USA)1 congregations: 0.34% of state's Presbyterian Church (USA)'s 297 congregations.adherents: 0.30% of state's Presbyterian Church (USA)'s 64,277 adherents.
[LEFT]Assemblies of God
1 congregations: 0.21% of state's Assemblies of God's 483 congregations.
80 adherents: 0.08% of state's Assemblies of God's 95,429 adherents.

American Baptist Churches in the USA
1 congregations: 3.45% of state's American Baptist Churches in the USA's 29 congregations.
17 adherents: 0.13% of state's American Baptist Churches in the USA's 13,373 adherents.[/LEFT]
]Read more: http://www.city-data.com/county/religion/Ste.-Genevieve-County-MO.html#ixzz12vcTtBXg"[/LEFT]


And you think that slight statistical difference is the reason why Ms. Meyer's 'fakes' a Upland Southern accent (which also Mike Shannon, and (to a somewhat lesser degree- although it is eveident in some words) John Danforth) also 'fakes'?

Because if you remember that was where the religion in Missouri thing came into discussion.


And, of course, Meyer's does not telecast to St. Genevieve Co, Mo., becaue they would find her message and vehicle for same (eg, accent) so 'foreign'.

Okay, let's have another cartoon.......................

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by kshe95girl

Excellent examples of classic STL accent.

Yep, and Goodman- in specific- is an excellent example of the modified Upland Southern accent to which the sources speak.

Ditto for the mayor.

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by Geechie North

And, of course, Meyer's does not telecast to St. Genevieve Co, Mo., becaue they would find her message and vehicle for same (eg, accent) so 'foreign'.

Okay, let's have another cartoon.......................

Just what are you trying to insinuate with that little bon mot, pray tell?

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by slengel

geechi apparently ignores an excerpt from his own source:

"Also, people from Chicago are known to have their own "nasal" accent. The same is true of St. Louis."

It does not say the two are the same, it says both are unique.

And read the other statements in the article, plus the info provided by the poster ('Alicia Bradley) linguistic's study.

Again,

The St Louis- and Missouri-area is described as an area of mixing accents.

Which is why we see the variation between St Louis' native Meyer's drawl and the STL alderman (above), who has a more Midwestern accent.

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by kshe95girl

Just what are you trying to insinuate with that little bon mot, pray tell?

Nothing; just my way of closing a really pointless sidebar discussion (religion as a 'motive' for Myer's accent.)

Not worth a wrinkly face, for sure......

[slengel]

geechie, you really don't have any credible evidence of this so-called "uplands south" dialect in st. louis other than to keep posting about joyce meyer and her exaggerated evangelist drawl. no sense in taking it any further. a visit to the city will put to rest all your "st. louis is southern" preconceptions.

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by slengel

no she isn't. she sounds nothing like anyone from st. louis, i can guarantee that. her father was from the backwoods of kentucky, and in classic kentucky fashion, he raped her when she was a child. sounds like a whole lotta kentucky was goin' on in that house. you will not find any other native resident of st. louis or its inner suburbs who sound even remotely like that. again, i point to harry caray's dialect.

Is that what this is all about for you?

The linkage to the 'Classic Kentucky fashion' of which you speak?

So, if Missouri (even St Genevieve Co.) is shown to have a modified Upland Southern accent then it shows they are no better than them hicks in French Lick, or any locale that's lampooned as the sticks.

Is that what drives the denial over a simple thing like speech pattern?


Okay, as a native southerner I can attest that of the two versions of 'Dixie' (the tobacco road vs the moonlight and magnolias), the former is the one ya (meaning most everyone) avoids; puts down.

But that kind of stuff is pan-cultural. Happens in Hyannis Port as well as Hopkinsville.

So, I suggest let's back down from DefCon IV on such a bland (should be) subject.

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by Geechie North

Here's what I know of SE Missouri:

I was in that area once (for a weekend) long ago. Everyone (males) were wearing ballcaps with two ears of corn on either side, and were talking about, 'Pulverizin' the soil.' with their Massey-Fergusons; the ladies were performing unsollicited poll dances on the vacant (no band) stage of the bar.

I don't believe that a single bar-crawl is an adequate marker for the morals of an entire area, but it does speak to the culture.

And as I was, at the time, stationed for 6 months in Marion, Ill., which is undeniably Upland Southern in culture and speech, SE Missouri sure seemed like a slightly more Ag version of the Marion area.

Also, Cheryl Crowe (Crow?) hails from Kennett, Mo., and describes her 'big city' as Memphis.

So that also reinforces the idea of 'Southerness' in SE Missouri.

Originally Posted by Geechie North

Now I'm confused:

The town of which I spoke is Perryville- about 1/2 way between St Louis and Cape Girardeau.

So where exactly is Southeastern Missouri?

Originally Posted by Geechie North

'Y'all' was the common form of the plural 'you' in Perryville (and in St Louie, for that matter) in the late-80's.

Don't know why it would change, as 'y'all' has gone national (Sajak ('Wheel Of Fortune') based in SoCal and from Chi-town even uses it).

Originally Posted by Geechie North

As I was told in the St L. field office (FBI):

'Y'all have a seat. Agent______ will see you in a moment.'

Happened over 2 decades ago, and I remember it as if it were yesterday.

Very typical form of address in Southern Ill., also.

Originally Posted by slengel

geechie, you really don't have any credible evidence of this so-called "uplands south" dialect in st. louis other than to keep posting about joyce meyer and her exaggerated evangelist drawl. no sense in taking it any further. a visit to the city will put to rest all your "st. louis is southern" preconceptions.

Need I say more?