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Old 01-01-2008, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Houston and DFW may have some serious issues by the 2020s as the economy transitions away from oil.
Both economies do not rely on oil anymore. For Houston, while a big part of it's economy is still hindered on oil, they have a fast growing medical industry, a huge seaport, and a growing IT and financial area growing in downtown.

For Dallas, they are a regional hub for finance and IT. Not to mention they have the largest airport in the region and a new port in SE Dallas getting freight from the West Coast and Houston.

As far as Houston with a category 5. It will cause damage. But it won't effect most of the city of Houston. Particularily those in West to NW of Downtown Houston. There will be some flooding throughout the city. There would be catastrophic damage to cities like Galveston, La Marque, Clear Lake, and alike. That's where the concerns lie because many of the refineries are there including the port.
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Old 01-01-2008, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Tampa
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Still, despite its flat topography and low ground level, because of the bayous and development, Houston has always been a city that doesn't really have a hard time bouncing back from flooding.
yeah, but if you get storm surge, thats a whole different animal...
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Old 01-01-2008, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Tampa
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Both economies do not rely on oil anymore. For Houston, while a big part of it's economy is still hindered on oil, they have a fast growing medical industry, a huge seaport, and a growing IT and financial area growing in downtown.

For Dallas, they are a regional hub for finance and IT. Not to mention they have the largest airport in the region and a new port in SE Dallas getting freight from the West Coast and Houston.

As far as Houston with a category 5. It will cause damage. But it won't effect most of the city of Houston. Particularily those in West to NW of Downtown Houston. There will be some flooding throughout the city. There would be catastrophic damage to cities like Galveston, La Marque, Clear Lake, and alike. That's where the concerns lie because many of the refineries are there including the port.
and therin lies the biggest danger. can you imagine a cat 5 with a strong storm surge, going up the channel, ripping up the chemcial plants, and pushing the toxic stew up into the city?

prob wont happen, but if it did...
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Old 01-02-2008, 12:44 PM
 
Location: In God
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and therin lies the biggest danger. can you imagine a cat 5 with a strong storm surge, going up the channel, ripping up the chemcial plants, and pushing the toxic stew up into the city?

prob wont happen, but if it did...
Let's just say that a blow like that to Houston would be a kick in the balls to America.
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Old 01-02-2008, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Tampa
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Let's just say that a blow like that to Houston would be a kick in the balls to America.
theres a visual for ya....
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Old 01-02-2008, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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This is my list the top ten largest American cities in 2030.
1. LA - 26 million
2. NYC - 25 million
3. Houston - 14.5 million
4. Chicago - 14.3 million
5. DFW - 14 million
6. D.C. - 13.5 million
7. SF Bay Area - 13 million
8. Boston - 12.8 million
9. Atlanta - 12.5 million
10. Miami - 11 million

I have to disagree with your estimates capitaloftheworld.
Some of those numbers are way too high, unrealistic and impossible to come to fruition.Boston + Houston in particular are way out of sorts on your list.


This would be the order in the year 2030 based on the metro population percentage increase using the same % from 2000-2005. So if the same growth pattern from the past 5 years continues (which it wont) the numbers in 2030 would look like this.

1.NYC-Newark-Bridgeport,NY-NJ-CT-PA...24,600,000
2.LA-Long Beach-Riverside.....................23,900,000
3.Chi-Naperville-Mich City,Il-In-WI...........11,410,000
4.Wash-Bal-No.Va. Dc-MD-VA-WV...........10,870,000
5.Dallas-Fort Worth...............................9,397,000
6.Atlanta......................................... ....8,753,000
7.Houston-Galvestown-Baytown...............8,208,000
8.San Jose-SF-Oak................................7,546,000
9.Miami-Ft. Lauderdale-..........................7,495,000
10.Phoenix........................................ ....6,931,000
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Old 01-02-2008, 06:52 PM
 
Location: outer boroughs, NYC
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Both economies do not rely on oil anymore. For Houston, while a big part of it's economy is still hindered on oil, they have a fast growing medical industry, a huge seaport, and a growing IT and financial area growing in downtown.

For Dallas, they are a regional hub for finance and IT. Not to mention they have the largest airport in the region and a new port in SE Dallas getting freight from the West Coast and Houston.

As far as Houston with a category 5. It will cause damage. But it won't effect most of the city of Houston. Particularily those in West to NW of Downtown Houston. There will be some flooding throughout the city. There would be catastrophic damage to cities like Galveston, La Marque, Clear Lake, and alike. That's where the concerns lie because many of the refineries are there including the port.
I'm sure Houston and DFW have matured beyond oil, however, far as I know the rapid growth of those areas is still closely related to the oil industry. Houston does have a big medical sector and the seaport. However, much of the financial services companies in Houston are serving the oil industry. The same could be said for the seaport. I'm far from an expert here, but my impression is that oil is sort of the central pillar of Houston's economy, and much of the rest (with some obvious exceptions) is related to serving the big money in that industry. NYC's economy, actually, is sort of similar, with that pillar being finance. The difference is that finance will be here as long as there is capitalism, but oil's days are numbered.

I do think Houston will keep growing, especially in the next decade, and probably after that. But I think it's growth rate will slow considerably as the importance of oil lessens.
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Old 01-02-2008, 08:21 PM
 
Location: DFW Texas
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Detroit is already making a comeback in population and Philly is losing, so here it is:

1. NYC-- 20,000,000
2.LA --10,000,000
3.Chicago--8,500,000
4.Houston--8,200,000
5.Pheonix--4,800,000
6.Dallas--4,600,000
7.Detroit--2,500,000
8.San Diego--2,450,000
9.Philadelphia--1,950,00
10.San Jose--1,920,000
Dallas at 4.6 million???? Hello we are at 6.5 million now. So your saying were gonna lose 2 million? Next you'll be saying that Los Angelas is going to annex Tokyo!
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Old 01-02-2008, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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I'm sure Houston and DFW have matured beyond oil, however, far as I know the rapid growth of those areas is still closely related to the oil industry. Houston does have a big medical sector and the seaport. However, much of the financial services companies in Houston are serving the oil industry. The same could be said for the seaport. I'm far from an expert here, but my impression is that oil is sort of the central pillar of Houston's economy, and much of the rest (with some obvious exceptions) is related to serving the big money in that industry. NYC's economy, actually, is sort of similar, with that pillar being finance. The difference is that finance will be here as long as there is capitalism, but oil's days are numbered.

I do think Houston will keep growing, especially in the next decade, and probably after that. But I think it's growth rate will slow considerably as the importance of oil lessens.
I'm just saying that Houston does not rely just on oil anymore. Many of the new transplants moving to Houston this decade have not moved there due to just oil. Many educated doctors are moving to Houston from around the nation and world. I agree that oil is still the biggest economy in Houston now. But no longer is the oil industry the dominate economy in Houston.
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Old 01-02-2008, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Polish Hill, Pittsburgh, PA
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Yeah, and Chicago will also always be the fatter city.

I just knew this thread was going to be a bad idea as soon as I laid eyes on it. Lord Jesus...

Now, this can prove to all the moderators that it is indeed not always the people from Houston stirring up mess on this forum.
Why don't you and Steve-o just get into an all-out brawl already? We've been waiting eagerly for this to happen for quite some time. I also think Speedy_AZ and Steve-o are overdue for a fight. Steve-O, with all due respect Chicago is the American city I most dream of visiting after graduation, but you're often times unfair with your incessant bashing of both Houston and Phoenix. Believe it or not some people do like those two cities, just as people like me actually like Scranton, the 1990s runner-up for "Armpit of America." I'm sure even East St. Louis, Gary, Camden, Salinas, and Newark have those who foresee them becoming liveable cities again.
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