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Old 07-05-2007, 11:25 PM
 
Location: IN
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MattDen,
If you want to read an "interesting" book describing the severe decline of the rural counties and small towns in the Great Plains I would recommend "What's The Matter With Kansas" by Thomas Frank. The big corporate farms are taking over a lot of the smaller family farms and are growing extremely large in size. Meanwhile, the Freedom To Farm Bill that was passed in 1996 was such a disaster in many of the rural areas that it led to a collapse in the prices for wheat from around $6 per bushel an acre to a little more than $2 in a short period of time. Then, the government had to make massive subsidy payments to the farmers again because the commodity prices were driven so low by the oversupply of certain crops on the market. Mechanized commercial agriculture is big business in certain towns in the Great Plains, but the overwhelming majority of the rural counties are losing younger residents at an extremely fast rate that is even faster than previous decades.

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Old 07-06-2007, 12:35 AM
 
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MattDen,

I follow you have some passion on this, but you seem to severely lack some knowledge. The cause for lack of high speed rail is not rural areas sucking some imaginary missing money that would otherwise be spent on the high speed rail.

High speed rail is actively opposed and blocked by lobby members at all levels of government -- the lobbies that oppose it are the airline and aircraft industry. All "big city" organizations, btw. It is not a "lack of money" issue -- it is a potential loss of profits issue.

Rural areas would actually be much better served by functional high speed rail compared to the (again) "big city" airline industry hub model. The trade-off allowed to the-hicks-in-the-sticks is the sucky local airlines that are proxies and feeds for the big hub airlines who operate out of the "big cities."

Ok, so now that we have called bs on the rail speed rail issue . . . How else are the big city centers' exploitation of the rural areas somehow harmful to the big cities that profit from it?

More water to the cities so the suburbs can have pretty green "Chem-lawns?" Maybe more food? The rights to pollute the air of rural areas by burning coal for power plants that feed the large city centers? These darn rural areas -- they need to ask what (else) they can do for the cities and stop being so greedy.
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Old 02-25-2008, 12:46 PM
 
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**** you for thinkin rual areas are dirt. the city is ****y it rymes thats y it works
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Old 02-25-2008, 12:50 PM
 
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O yeah matt den you suck famers are friggin awsome so what is ur job ne ways an elevador man... Going up!
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Old 02-25-2008, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Chariton, Iowa
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Hey! Don't dump on elevator men!

In any case...this thread is probably better off left for dead.
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Old 02-25-2008, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Fairfax
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I have to say it seems like rural areas are winning, its sad that so much is spent on small rural areas and metro areas of less then 500,000 people.
They have so little to offer unless they are very, very topographically appealing.

Here in the midwest Minneapolis, Des Moines, Omaha, Wichita and Denver are being economically sacrificed by aggressive rabid rural interests that dont care about urban prosperity, they are just rural greed mongers. These rural areas are declining and yet these states still bother with road construction and school spending in these areas. Not only that medical facilities such as nursing homes shouldnt exist in smaller rural areas because its very expensive transport people to decent sized medical centers.

A penny spent on a rural area unless its highly topographically appealing to potential people and may become a resort or a tourist destination or is close to major metro area is waste.

Its sickening especially in Iowa and Nebraska how these rural areas just are so set on draining Omaha and Des Moines and yet they dont have any think close to tourist destinations on the level of the Rockies, Sierra-Nevada's or the Atlantic Ocean.

As far as I am concerned any state with less then 5 million people should have a highly centralized economy with one major metropolitan that dominates unless it is in very close proximity to another major metropolitan area.

I also think rural areas in the Dakotas, rural Kansas, the Misssissippi Delta and their agricultural interests have caused the nations to be horrible.

If rural areas were ignored, then major metropolitan areas could have high-way speed rail connected them, massive cultural facilities, major university expansions rather then subsidies so greety farmers can have their big tractors.

lol that comment in bold really gets me.
South Carolina (my home state) has a little more than 4 mill and is doing quite well even though there are 3 roughly equal metro areas.

Where are you going to get your food if you just abandon the rural areas and throw all your money in the cities?
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Old 02-25-2008, 03:46 PM
 
Location: still in exile......
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I have to say it seems like rural areas are winning, its sad that so much is spent on small rural areas and metro areas of less then 500,000 people.
They have so little to offer unless they are very, very topographically appealing.

Here in the midwest Minneapolis, Des Moines, Omaha, Wichita and Denver are being economically sacrificed by aggressive rabid rural interests that dont care about urban prosperity, they are just rural greed mongers. These rural areas are declining and yet these states still bother with road construction and school spending in these areas. Not only that medical facilities such as nursing homes shouldnt exist in smaller rural areas because its very expensive transport people to decent sized medical centers.

A penny spent on a rural area unless its highly topographically appealing to potential people and may become a resort or a tourist destination or is close to major metro area is waste.

Its sickening especially in Iowa and Nebraska how these rural areas just are so set on draining Omaha and Des Moines and yet they dont have any think close to tourist destinations on the level of the Rockies, Sierra-Nevada's or the Atlantic Ocean.

As far as I am concerned any state with less then 5 million people should have a highly centralized economy with one major metropolitan that dominates unless it is in very close proximity to another major metropolitan area.

I also think rural areas in the Dakotas, rural Kansas, the Misssissippi Delta and their agricultural interests have caused the nations to be horrible.

If rural areas were ignored, then major metropolitan areas could have high-way speed rail connected them, massive cultural facilities, major university expansions rather then subsidies so greety farmers can have their big tractors.
dude, you just take any oppurtinity you get to bash rural areas don't ya?
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Old 02-25-2008, 03:47 PM
 
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O yeah matt den you suck famers are friggin awsome so what is ur job ne ways an elevador man... Going up!
LOL.
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