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Old 10-28-2010, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Religion and Public Life in the Southern Crossroads


"In the Religion by Region Project, the states of Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas comprise the Southern Crossroads. These "showdown" states share a history of sharp religious and cultural clashes across intersecting geographical boundary lines, including those demarcating French and Spanish territories from the Anglo-American colonies, and Indian Territory from the rest of the nation. The Southern Crossroads is also famously the region of the United States in which the culture of the Southeast meets that of the West. The majority of pioneer settlers of the Southern Crossroads states were drawn from the slave states of the Old South. The Southern culture that they imported into the Crossroads states, however, underwent important adaptations as it interacted in the early 19th century with French, Hispanic, and native American cultures on the westernmost frontier of the cotton kingdom.'

And because of that 'Major Southern Component', it is also very logical to ascibe Missouri (et al) into its own unique region:

'The Southern Crossroads'.

Or The Upland South.

Or The Lower North.
The only people that lived in the "cotton region" of Missouri in the late 18th and early 19th century were the French, who owned slaves, one can hardly call them southern.....oh, and the Native Americans, were they Southern, too?
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:38 PM
 
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And because of that 'Major Southern Component', it is also very logical to ascibe Missouri (et al) into its own unique region:
no, that doesnt seem appropriate to me. missouri contains multiple culture regions within its borders.

southern missouri is part of the south, specifically the arkansas hills variety. Central missouri is part of the southernly influenced (but not dominated) lower midwest (similar to southern IN and IL). northern MO as part of the central midwest, similar to iowa and Saint Louis is an urbanized post industrial midwestern city.

all of these are parts of other distinct cultural regions. to group them together as one solid "missouri culture" would be foolish.
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:39 PM
 
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geechie, if missouri can be considered a "southern crossroads" state, it can just as easily be considered a "northern crossroads state." and that would again support what you don't want to admit-- that while missouri has some decidedly southern characteristics (mostly in the southern part of the state), it is a bona fide midwestern state.

as i said, i personally think indiana feels the most southern of all the midwestern states, including missouri.
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:40 PM
 
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The only people that lived in the "cotton region" of Missouri in the late 18th and early 19th century were the French, who owned slaves, one can hardly call them southern.....oh, and the Native Americans, were they Southern, too?
The article speaks of present-day influences.

But, as to Native Americans and 'Southern', ever hear of Stand Watie?
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:42 PM
 
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The Ozarks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But as long as we're having fun, look at the map of the Ozarks, which even you acknowledge are 'Southern' as to culture.

They are North of any imaginary line that (only you) can extrapolate from the Ohio River (which ends to the east).

So.................................
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:49 PM
 
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The article speaks of present-day influences.

But, as to Native Americans and 'Southern', ever hear of Stand Watie?
What you're not understanding here is the influence of the French (and German) can still be felt and observed to this day in the entire Mississippi Hills region, thats what I was referring to.
One can hardly call that area, and the Little Rhine region Southern, even though the Mississippi Hills region is below I-70.
This has been discussed ad nauseum in the other thread.
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:56 PM
 
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The Ozarks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But as long as we're having fun, look at the map of the Ozarks, which even you acknowledge are 'Southern' as to culture.

They are North of any imaginary line that (only you) can extrapolate from the Ohio River (which ends to the east).

So.................................
Since you acknowledged you dont read the Missouri forum, this might be of enlightenment to you.
Guess where 60 crosses the Mississippi and Ohio?
http://www.city-data.com/forum/misso...estern-23.html
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:58 PM
 
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What you're not understanding here is the influence of the French (and German) can still be felt and observed to this day in the entire Mississippi Hills region, thats what I was referring to.
One can hardly call that area, and the Little Rhine region Southern, even though the Mississippi Hills region is below I-70.
This has been discussed ad nauseum in the other thread.
Gott im Himmel!

There is a town called Helen in North Georgia which fancies itself the recreation of an Alpine German village.

Compared to the rest of the area it is- or at least looks the part.

Compare it to any burg in Wisconsin and it comes off like Dolly Parton in liederhosen.

And even Wisconsin with its German influence, acknowledged as the strongest in the US, is NOT German:

There was a delegation from the real Germany in Milwaukee a few years back and somebody made the mistake of putting on an 'authentic' Germanfest for them.

'These are so strange; they are like people from the 1870's.', was the common Deutsch reaction to it all.
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Old 10-28-2010, 02:02 PM
 
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Since you acknowledged you dont read the Missouri forum, this might be of enlightenment to you.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/misso...estern-23.html

"Culturally, to put it simply, Missouri is Southern. Southern. Southern. Rural Missouri (and bedroom communities--non-affluent suburbs, that is--of the larger towns), that is.

OTOH, Urban Missouri (essentially, Kansas City) is Northern. St. Louis is more Northern than Southern, but really more its own thing entirely.

Rural Missouri, though--as Southern as a Confederate flag wedged into a slice of pecan pie." Alicia Bradley, Linguist).



"Look at maps and they will prove otherwise Missouri is definitely almost entirely in the corn belt." (ajf 131).

I don't think it's a settled thing.

One thing that for certain emerges is that Missouri really WANTS to be Midwestern.
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Old 10-28-2010, 02:05 PM
 
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Gott im Himmel!

There is a town called Helen in North Georgia which fancies itself the recreation of an Alpine German village.

Compared to the rest of the area it is- or at least looks the part.

Compare it to any burg in Wisconsin and it comes off like Dolly Parton in liederhosen.

And even Wisconsin with its German influence, acknowledged as the strongest in the US, is NOT German:

There was a delegation from the real Germany in Milwaukee a few years back and somebody made the mistake of putting on an 'authentic' Germanfest for them.

'These are so strange; they are like people from the 1870's.', was the common Deutsch reaction to it all.
Huh?
This doesnt even make any sense?
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