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Old 11-02-2010, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Portland, Maine
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Maryland was a slave-holding state and therefore technically a part of the South. That is why the first stop on the Underground Railroad was Philadelphia and not Baltimore. Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman both escaped Maryland slave plantations and eventually made it "up north" to Philadelphia.

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Everyone of the original states was a slave state; a fact that some present-day northerners like to forget.
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Old 11-02-2010, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Everyone of the original states was a slave state; a fact that some present-day northerners like to forget.
Duh. This doesn't change the fact that there were "northern" states and "southern" states. And the northern states abolished slavery well before the southern states, Maryland included. By the start of the 19th Century, there were virtually no slaves in Pennsylvania. Maryland had more than 90,000 slaves at the outbreak of the Civil War and slavery continued in the District during the war.

If Maryland was so "northern," then slaves would not have been running away from its PLANTATIONS to get to Philadelphia.
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Old 11-02-2010, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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History of slavery in Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For braver souls, impatient with efforts to abolish slavery within the law, there were always illegal methods. The Underground Railway was established to guide slaves to safety in Northern states. The many Indian trails and waterways of Maryland, and in particular the countless inlets of the Chesapeake Bay, afforded numerous ways to escape north to Pennsylvania. [22] As the numbers of escaping slaves grew, so did the reward for their capture. [23] In 1806 the reward offered for recaptured slaves was $6, but by 1833 it had risen to $30. In 1844 recaptured slaves fetched $15 if recaptured within 30 miles (48 km) of the owner, $50 if captured more than 30 miles (48 km) away.[23]
By the 1850s few Marylanders still believed that Colonization was the solution to the problem of slavery.[24] By this time around one in every six Maryland families had slaves, but support for the institution of slavery was localized; varying according to its importance to the local economy.[24] Marylanders might agree in principle that slavery could and should be abolished, but turning theory into practice would prove elusive. Slavery was too deeply embedded into Maryland society for it to be voluntarily eradicated, [24] and the end would come only with war and bloodshed.
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Old 11-02-2010, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Sorry, Liberals. If you want to drink your mocha lattes and drive your Priuses around the streets of a northern city, you'll have to move at least 150 miles to the northeast.


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Old 11-02-2010, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Portland, Maine
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History of slavery in Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For braver souls, impatient with efforts to abolish slavery within the law, there were always illegal methods. The Underground Railway was established to guide slaves to safety in Northern states. The many Indian trails and waterways of Maryland, and in particular the countless inlets of the Chesapeake Bay, afforded numerous ways to escape north to Pennsylvania. [22] As the numbers of escaping slaves grew, so did the reward for their capture. [23] In 1806 the reward offered for recaptured slaves was $6, but by 1833 it had risen to $30. In 1844 recaptured slaves fetched $15 if recaptured within 30 miles (48 km) of the owner, $50 if captured more than 30 miles (48 km) away.[23]
By the 1850s few Marylanders still believed that Colonization was the solution to the problem of slavery.[24] By this time around one in every six Maryland families had slaves, but support for the institution of slavery was localized; varying according to its importance to the local economy.[24] Marylanders might agree in principle that slavery could and should be abolished, but turning theory into practice would prove elusive. Slavery was too deeply embedded into Maryland society for it to be voluntarily eradicated, [24] and the end would come only with war and bloodshed.
You are obsessed with the slavery issue as the only determining factor to north-south. The original question: How is DC not southern? I answered that question with the fact it was founded at a place where the north and south met. The fact that Maryland remained a slave state later than other northern states does not change the fact of DC's location and why it was founded there. Also, you do realize that there were sympathies throughout the northern states toward the south, especially Pennsylvania.
Of course Maryland would have more southern influence because it was the CLOSEST STATE TO THE SOUTH. You don't need to be a genius to figure that one out. Geesh. Sometimes I wonder.
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Old 11-02-2010, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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You are obsessed with the slavery issue as the only determining factor to north-south. The original question: How is DC not southern? I answered that question with the fact it was founded at a place where the north and south met. The fact that Maryland remained a slave state later than other northern states does not change the fact of DC's location and why it was founded there. Also, you do realize that there were sympathies throughout the northern states toward the south, especially Pennsylvania.
Of course Maryland would have more southern influence because it was the CLOSEST STATE TO THE SOUTH. You don't need to be a genius to figure that one out. Geesh. Sometimes I wonder.

It wasn't the "closest state to the south." It was the South and I just presented the facts to back that claim up.
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Old 11-02-2010, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Portland, Maine
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It wasn't the "closest state to the south." It was the South and I just presented the facts to back that claim up.
Oh okay, I'll take the word of BajanYankee and wikipedia over recorded history.
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Old 11-02-2010, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Maryland was a slave-holding state and therefore technically a part of the South. That is why the first stop on the Underground Railroad was Philadelphia and not Baltimore. Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman both escaped Maryland slave plantations and eventually made it "up north" to Philadelphia.

Harriet Tubman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Frederick Douglass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
All the original states were once slave holding so that really doesn't mean much. And Maryland and Delaware both voted down secession and joining the CSA and their "Southern brethren", so how Southern was that? Do people today really think of Delaware, Baltimore or the rest of Maryland as Southern? I mean other than people on here.
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Old 11-02-2010, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Hmm...could this be one reason that people have considered DC a part of the South? In addition to the fact that the "Skins" flew confederate battle flags during games. Or the fact that the Redskins marching band played "Dixie" before kickoff.

ESPN.com - Page2 - Not just whistling dixie in D.C.

Dear Redskins, Do the Right Thing -- FanHouse

Hail to the Redskins!
Hail Victory!
Braves on the Warpath!
Fight for old Dixie!
Run or pass and score -- we want a lot more!
Scalp 'em, swamp 'em -- We will take 'em big score
Read 'em, weep 'em, touchdown - we want heap more
Fight on, Fight on -- 'Till you have won

Sons of Wash-ing-ton. Rah!, Rah!, Rah
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Old 11-02-2010, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Portland, Maine
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By your own argument, you fail. For African-Americans to be truely free, they had to continue on that trail all the way to Canada. There were many "northerners" who would send there buts right back if caught.
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