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Old 11-22-2010, 04:21 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Trimac,

Culturally speaking, you were actually closer to pinpointing Oklahoma's twin with Arkansas...your original position. Texas is certainly in there as well with these states. Although Texas is such a large state with such diversification culturally it could be associated with several states....but it is mostly like Oklahoma and Arkansas in the majority of the state (excluding major cities).

Some transplant Okies have trouble dealing with Oklahoma's so-called "backward" leanings.....but most of us that were born and raised here know/accept/enjoy what it's like.

Good thread topic. Cheers.
To me classic Texas is basically 'wild west' - El Paso is more classically Texan than Houston in this sense.

Oklahoma seems like a great place, the accent sounds pretty darn southern but otherwise it seems Midwestern or even Western.
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Old 11-22-2010, 10:50 AM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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To me classic Texas is basically 'wild west' - El Paso is more classically Texan than Houston in this sense.

Oklahoma seems like a great place, the accent sounds pretty darn southern but otherwise it seems Midwestern or even Western.
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Oklahoma seems like a great place, the accent sounds pretty darn southern
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Yes Sir.

Generally Okies do not mimic the "drawly" Southern dialect of the Deep South/Southeast states, but the majority of Oklahomans speak a derivative of Southern speech nonetheless.
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Old 11-22-2010, 12:17 PM
 
Location: 'Murica
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IMO, huge states like CA, NY, and TX don't really have twins. But what I think they do have are "junior" states (kind of like what Canada is to the U.S. )

CA's "junior" is Nevada
NY's is NJ
TX's is Oklahoma
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Old 11-22-2010, 01:00 PM
 
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IMO, huge states like CA, NY, and TX don't really have twins. But what I think they do have are "junior" states (kind of like what Canada is to the U.S. )

CA's "junior" is Nevada
NY's is NJ
TX's is Oklahoma

Most of NY is more closley related to PA than NJ.
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Old 11-22-2010, 05:49 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Most of NY is more closley related to PA than NJ.
Yeah NYS and NYC are two different worlds. New York State to me is an amalgam of New England and Pennsylvania.
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Old 11-22-2010, 05:51 PM
 
Location: The City
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NJ and CA
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Old 11-22-2010, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Feel free to disagree/agree...most of these are kinda obvious, but I thought it'd be fun to pair the states up with their geographical/cultural twin. Yes, maybe too much time on my hands, lol...

California/Arizona
Oregon/Washington
Utah/Colorado
Idaho/Montana
Wyoming/Nebraska
New Mexico/Texas
Oklahoma/Arkansas
Louisiana/Mississippi
Alabana/Georgia
Florida/Puerto Rico (I know the latter is not a state!)
The Carolinas, obviously
The Dakotas
Missouri/Illinois
Iowa/Nebraska
Wisconsin/Minnesota
Michigan/Ohio
Virginia/West Virginia
Tennessee/Kentucky
Pennsylvania/New York
Maryland/District of Columbia
New Jersey/Delaware
Connecticut/Rhode Island
Massachusetts/Rhode Island
New Hampshire/Vermont
Maine/Vermont
Hawaii/Alaska

Yes there are a few double-ups because of the odd numbers, but I think this is more or less accurate.
Better I think.

Alabama - Mississippi
Alaska - Washington
Arizona - New Mexico
Arkansas - Louisiana
California - Hawaii
Colorado - Wyoming
Connecticut - Rhode Island
Connecticut - Massachusetts
Delaware - Maryland
Florida - Georgia
Idaho - Montana
Illinois - Indiana
Iowa - Missouri
Kansas - Nebraska
Kentucky - Tennessee
Maine - New Hampshire
Michigan - Ohio
Minnesota - Wisconsin
Nevada - Utah
New Hampshire - Vermont
New Jersey - New York
New York - Pennsylvania
North Carolina - South Carolina
North Dakota - South Dakota
Oklahoma - Texas
Oregon - Washington
Virginia - West Virginia
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Old 11-23-2010, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Yeah NYS and NYC are two different worlds. New York State to me is an amalgam of New England and Pennsylvania.
That's a good description of NY State.
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Old 11-25-2010, 04:40 PM
 
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To me classic Texas is basically 'wild west' - El Paso is more classically Texan than Houston in this sense.

Oklahoma seems like a great place, the accent sounds pretty darn southern but otherwise it seems Midwestern or even Western.
Of course Texas is "Wild West" in many ways. But so is Kansas. And Oklahoma too. However, the essential cultural/historical forces shaping Texas were Southern, those shaping Kansas were "Midwestern", and those in Oklahoma were decidedly more the former than the latter. A state can be "western" (as all the above are), and for sure "Wild West"...but not part of the same "West" as are Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona, etc.

Yes, El Paso (and the trans-pecos area in general) -- in popular mind-set (particularly that birthed by the old Hollywood "westerns") lends to being considered more "Texas" than does Houston.

But the important thing to remember is that, in reality, in terms of culture, history, etc, the trans-pecos is an anamoly of sorts, and always has been. As one good source put it: "(this part of Texas) and its major city, El Paso, looks economically and culturally to New Mexico and Mexico rather than to the rest of Texas."

In a nut-shell, while the El Paso area might epitomize the "pop" image conjured up when people think of Texas, the truth is that it is really odd-man out. The "classic" aspect, is a media myth.

Of larger cities, the basic heritage and history of Texas is better found in old Houston (or Dallas, or San Antonio, or Austin, etc) than in El Paso.
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