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Old 11-26-2010, 02:06 PM
 
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You are deliberately avoiding answering my questions. Rather than present arguments, all you do is say how much northerners won't be southerners. How do you know they want to be southerners? Just because they move to Atlanta or Nashville doesn't mean they want to be "southern."

What I am asking you to do is define what is southern. You consistently refuse to do so.

I am asking you to define northern. You consistently refuse to do so.

What is representative of southerners?

This thread is about how the south has been transformed from a closed society into one that is becoming increasingly populated by northern migrants which is representative of demographics as a whole.

All you have done is make statements about how the north is ruining the southern culture and how northerners who want to be southern can't.

Do you think that every Alabaman that moves to NYC wants to become a true blue New Yorker? I certainly wouldn't make that statement.

What makes you think that every Bostonian moving to Atlanta wants to become what you refuse to define as southern.
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Old 11-26-2010, 02:27 PM
 
Location: The Home Base-North Carolina
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I know what Southern is. Not only was I born and raised in the South but I've also taken extensive college courses going into excruciating details of the South. Defining what is Southern is not as simple as just typing a brief synopsis. It aint that black and white. Besides, if your a grown adult who has traveled then you dont need me to tell you the differences. Some differences they are rather obvious. The tw makes a claim that the South is being NorthernizedIm because of a migration of Northerners to Southern cities. Im simple saying that you cant just change a native people just by shifting a population from North to South. Most of the states in the South vote conservative. The ones that don't had a history of voting Democratic, such as Arkansas(and referring to after the Dixiecrats became Republicans). North Carolina has had a Democratic controlled State Legislature since 1898 and routinely elects Democrat governers. The only basis you have to claim the South being Northernized is by citing those areas most populated by Northerners. Well, if your gonna base your claims on a relative few areas where Northerners are concentrated as your evidence, then guess what? You really dont have much evidence since Southerners far out number all of the Northerners that have populated areas that were already urbanized when they arrived.
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Old 11-26-2010, 02:33 PM
 
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I am a grown adult and I have travelled. You still refuse to answer the question. How is the south becoming more northern?
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Old 11-26-2010, 02:35 PM
 
Location: The Home Base-North Carolina
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Evidently, you are confused. I never said the South was becoming more Northern.
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Old 11-26-2010, 02:38 PM
 
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I must be confused. What is your point? That Northerners moving to the south will never be considered Southern?
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Old 11-26-2010, 05:04 PM
 
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I must be confused. What is your point? That Northerners moving to the south will never be considered Southern?
Again, I know this isn't in reply to me, but in following this exchange, you are becoming theatrically condecending and patronizing in your posts. IMHO, you are not really seeking honest answers, you are just wanting to parade your disdain and score some rep points...

You accuse JAGOB of avoiding a question. In this latest instance it is that he "refuses" to define what is "Southern" to your satifaction? Welllll? Perhaps the so-called "refusal" is that anyone who has to ask such a question in the tone and manner you did, would not understand the answer, anyway.

So maybe it is your own question that is silly, not the reply... reckon?

But anyway, whoever said a northerner moving to the South will never be considered a Southerner?

Perhaps it depends on the northerner in question...? Personally, some of the fiercest partisans of the South (speaking from a Texas point of the situation) I have ever met are ones who move down and decide they like it, adopt our ways and manners and customs, and become good neighbors and friends. Sure, they are often teased about being "yankees"...but it is in good fun. Not much differerent when I was kidded as being a "Texas Redneck" in the times that I visited up North with my ex's. There was no animosity at all.

On the other hand, there are many northerners who move South and make no secret of that they regard it beneath them to even be down here, anyway. And I say without qualification (and will), the supercilious attitude in terms of regional transplantation is much more apparent with northerners moving South than Southerners moving north as regards as to who has the unjustified superiority complex.

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I guarantee that my list of differences will be far different from yours. Therefore, I am asking you what has the North brought to the South that you don't like.

Is it:

Linguistics
Technology
Attitude
Entertainment
Fashion
Automobiles
Food
Political Beliefs
Religion

Feel free to add additional categories and explain what you don't like about it and how it has impacted the South.
My question to you is...please clarify a bit? Did these things not exist in the South before northerners brought them down? I ask because you seem to suggest by your query that such items were "imported" to the South, from the North. Elaboration, please?

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Old 11-26-2010, 05:17 PM
 
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JimmyJohns, quit distorting the facts. I have read the census numbers too. It is not my job to do research for you. I have also read country legal documents of Blacks who owned slaves. I dont know what you stand to gain from your blatent dishonesty. Regardless, I have provided a link backing up my assertions. Of course, you will discredit the information but I provided the link so that the fair minded folks reading this thread can decide for themselves. Its obvious beyond reproach that you are biased and have a hidden agenda. I have to go eat. JimmyJohns, I suggest you re-evaluate your diversionary tactics. As anyone can see, they have proven to be ineffective. Black Slave Owners Civil War Article by Robert M Grooms
seriously, what the hell is your problem? ive not distorted any facts at all. name one fact that ive distorted. seriously, go ahead. you never respond directly to any of my points, nor do you ever specifically point out anything ive said that you think is untrue. you just throw out accusations with nothing to back them up.

enough with your BS. ive got no "hidden agenda", i tell it like it is. you wont even say what it is your trying to prove. talk about diversionary. perhaps you should look in the mirror before throwing out such ridiculous accusations.

ive already made my point to you five times in a row. every time it flies right over your head. theres no point in even continuing this with you...
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Old 11-26-2010, 05:25 PM
 
Location: The Home Base-North Carolina
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JimmyJohns, I posted a link disproving your absurd ascertions. You proven nothing but fanciful hyperbole to the dialogue proven to be a massive waste of memory space on my RAM. So just admit your wrong doing and move on like a man. You intentionally "tried" to misled people about the culture of the Antebellum South. You owe the good folk of this forum an apology ASAP.
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Old 11-26-2010, 05:30 PM
 
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JimmyJohns, I posted a link disproving your absurd ascertions. You proven nothing but fanciful hyperbole to the dialogue proven to be a massive waste of memory space on my RAM. So just admit your wrong doing and move on like a man. You intentionally "tried" to misled people about the culture of the Antebellum South. You owe the good folk of this forum an apology ASAP.
are you kidding me? nothing in that link disproved any of my claims. read back through here, find a quote of mine that you think is wrong and then actually tell me how its wrong. enough will these BS accusations. ive backed up all my claims straight through the census website. put up or shut up. enough accusations. show me one claim ive made that is false and tell me how so. just saying, "youre wrong, heres a link" aint good enough buddy. you have to, i dont know, actually say what is i said that is wrong and what in your link supposedly disproves it? yea, that might be nice...

seriously, this is like arguing with a four year old...

everything ive said is pure truth. you are incapable of proving otherwise and simply resort to false accusations. thats your problem.
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Old 11-26-2010, 05:41 PM
 
Location: The Home Base-North Carolina
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JimmyJohns, you stated that Blacks slaveowners was rare. I provided a link proving you wrong. The info from the link uses U.S. Census numbers as well as other documents and it list citations. Seriously, the gig is up. You have been proven wrong in your ascertion that Blacks only a rare role in owning slaves. You begged and begged for a link, now you are to lazy to read it lol Well, its there for everyone else to read. You need to grow up and quit acting like a child. Man up and admit when your wrong. Maybe then you'll gain some respect.
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