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View Poll Results: Do larger/busier freeways make a city feel larger in general?
Yes, it makes a difference 107 75.35%
No, it doesn't make any difference whatsoever 35 24.65%
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Old 02-18-2015, 04:40 PM
 
Location: USA
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YES! The best example is Hartford, CT. The city itself its 18 sqaure miles and has roughly 130,000 and yet traffic is hideous. Traffic on Interstate 91 and Interstate 84 through Hartford is backed up for miles and miles during rush hour. The metropolitan area is the 33rd largest in the country with a little over 1,200,000 but the population of the city itself its small/medium sized.
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Old 02-18-2015, 05:01 PM
 
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YES! The best example is Hartford, CT. The city itself its 18 sqaure miles and has roughly 130,000 and yet traffic is hideous. Traffic on Interstate 91 and Interstate 84 through Hartford is backed up for miles and miles during rush hour. The metropolitan area is the 33rd largest in the country with a little over 1,200,000 but the population of the city itself its small/medium sized.
Well I think this is another good example of why city pop doesn't matter when comparing most metrics. Hartford suffers from the tiny footprint that plague most New England cities. The city population of Hartford exists only because it is unable to expand it's borders when it's the core city of an urban area larger than New Orleans and just a bit smaller than Nashville. I would hope it has the freeway infrastructure rivaling these cities and not a city like Lincoln NE, which for the city pop advocates is twice it's size by the clinical definition.
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Old 02-18-2015, 05:38 PM
 
Location: USA
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Well I think this is another good example of why city pop doesn't matter when comparing most metrics. Hartford suffers from the tiny footprint that plague most New England cities. The city population of Hartford exists only because it is unable to expand it's borders when it's the core city of an urban area larger than New Orleans and just a bit smaller than Nashville. I would hope it has the freeway infrastructure rivaling these cities and not a city like Lincoln NE, which for the city pop advocates is twice it's size by the clinical definition.
Well Hartford has a 1/3 highway beltway around the city itself. Interstate 91's and Interstate 84's interchange is right outside downtown and from an out of staters view it's skyline looks like a city as big as Cleveland or Baltimore. There was a full beltway planned in the 80s but later canceled due to environmental issues.
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Old 02-18-2015, 11:07 PM
 
Location: Detroit
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Michigan has 2 cities that have freeway networks that seem appropriately sized. Obviously Detroit, and ironically Flint. Every other Michigan urban area suffers from two lane freeway anemia. I-94 through Kzoo is appropriately sized given the amount of through traffic that flows through the city . The state stopped upgrading freeways to meet traffic demand decades ago. Which is apparent in the congestion in the Grand Rapids/Holland area. The two lane freeways make it seem smaller than it is. I have also driven through cities like Des Moines, Omaha, and Knoxville (all of which are smaller metros than GR) and been impressed by the networks. I have wondered why Michigan has never done the same.
I think most freeways in Grand Rapids (city) has about 3 lanes, I'm not sure how long it last in the suburbs though. Michigan's road maintenance is a joke, just like it's transportation. They decide to build more freeways and roads instead of maintaining the ones we already have. Detroit for example has 2 freeways going each direction coming out of downtown and on top of that major roads doing the same (hence why traffic is lighter than many metros of similar size). All across the region they also have small pointless stretches of freeways like Davidson, the 3 mile freeway, who in the hell thought that was a good idea? Meanwhile, there are roads that look (and feel) like a military air strike went to work on it.

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I would agree with the Atlanta being mentioned. When flying through the city with 6+ lanes of traffic with a beautiful skyline, that gives you the feeling of a major world class city. When you exit off especially south of downtown your impression drops quite a bit.

Nashville is another one. Very congested for its size. Seems like a happening city that is much larger than it is.
This was me... all the way. Skyline was amazing, top of the line type city, got off outside of the downtown/ Midtown area into the neighborhoods and could of sworn I landed in some suburb instead of Atlanta city. Not a good or bad thing depending on preference, it just... caught me by surprise I guess.
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Old 02-19-2015, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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Michigan's roads are so bad they are getting a reputation as the decay state.
If they don't start fixing them soon then the state will suffer economically as companies will avoid the state or start leaving due to the huge risk and costs of transporting products.
You can't have a semi carrying a 100,000 pound load run over a huge pothole at freeway speeds and not expect something bad to happen.

LMAO thats Michigan for ya.
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Old 02-19-2015, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Auburn, New York
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I'm leaning toward yes.

Tucson, AZ (997,000) and Allentown, PA (827,000) are two cities that are larger than they feel and have crappy freeway infrastructure.

I'm trying to think of other cities that are larger than they feel: Norfolk, VA (1,707,000); Providence, RI (1,604,000); Grand Rapids, MI (1,017,000); Worcester, MA (927,000); Greenville, SC (851,000); McAllen, TX (816,000). How would you assess the freeway infrastructure in these places?
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Old 02-20-2015, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Detroit
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Michigan's roads are so bad they are getting a reputation as the decay state.
If they don't start fixing them soon then the state will suffer economically as companies will avoid the state or start leaving due to the huge risk and costs of transporting products.
You can't have a semi carrying a 100,000 pound load run over a huge pothole at freeway speeds and not expect something bad to happen.
Yep, but what do we do? we keep building infrastructure for people who decided to move halfway to the country. I say, if they want to live in the exburbs, then deal with it. It's like a mother who can't hardly take care of the kids she has now but keeps having more. STOP ALREADY!
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Old 02-20-2015, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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I hate to admit it, but yes, it does seem to matter.
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Old 02-20-2015, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, La
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Case in point Louisiana cities with our very sparse highway networks.
people pass by my city of Lafayette on I10 from Houston and have no idea there is a 125k population place just south and a metro area approaching 700k.
its literally four simple cloverleaf interchanges and then youre past the city. If you take one of the major roads south though you quickly approach the urban center. Appearance wise, its a problem for the image of the city. Practically a hidden gem. The road networks are majorly outdated.
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Old 02-20-2015, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Mobile,Al(the city by the bay)
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Case in point Louisiana cities with our very sparse highway networks.
people pass by my city of Lafayette on I10 from Houston and have no idea there is a 125k population place just south and a metro area approaching 700k.
its literally four simple cloverleaf interchanges and then youre past the city. If you take one of the major roads south though you quickly approach the urban center. Appearance wise, its a problem for the image of the city. Practically a hidden gem. The road networks are majorly outdated.
Yes ! I passed through Lafayette for the first time on route to Houston and Lafayette did not feel like a CSA of over 60Pk in any shape form or fashion. The Lake Charles area felt larger paasing through.Both Mobile,Huntsville and Lafayette are similiar in CSA size.
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