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Old 11-23-2010, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Earlier this month he was in the top 10 most important cities thread trying to convince all that Cleveland was a tier 1 with NY. LMAO

I find Cleveland to be an exquisite city but the boosterism is to much
Ummm, if you're going to reference me, please be certain you're speaking factually ...

What I said concerning Cleveland, is that it is on the same level with NYC when it comes to cultural amenities and venues ... the museums in Cleveland can stand in the same "companionship" with their counterparts in NYC, Philly, Chicago and a host of other
important cities ...

That is WHAT I SAID, thank's for allowing me to clarify that!
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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john, you must be in high school or something. first of all, i am not even from st. louis (from philly), so i really have no allegiance to it. secondly, i have never said anything but positive things about cleveland and actually really enjoy your city. don't be a baby. posting those sensational crime rankings does not prove your point-- it's a different city every year and cleveland is always in the top 10 as well. i'd like to know what makes cleveland so much "better off" than st. louis. is there any empirical data that shows cleveland performing better? i'm not arguing, i'm asking a legitimate question because i am truly interested to know whether what you say is true. i really don't have much to base my opinions on other than gdp, corporate presence and population. if you have other data, i'd like to see it. no need to get so easily offended.
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:54 PM
 
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i suppose you are not comprehending my question. i did not ask you what cleveland is doing to improve itself, i asked you how cleveland is "so much better off" than st. louis. none of your links give me any answers to that question.
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:55 PM
 
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Cleveland was deemed the "Most Miserable City" by Forbes Magazine for 2010. Am I missing something?
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Old 11-23-2010, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Blue Ash, Ohio (Cincinnati)
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Cleveland was deemed the "Most Miserable City" by Forbes Magazine for 2010. Am I missing something?
Seriously, you are going to believe Forbes?! You have take those listings with a grain of salt.

Forbes just listed Cleveland as one of the best cities to find a job, and St. Louis as one of the worst. Forbes is BS.

I would have created a thread with the "Best and Worst Cities to find a job", but since it is Forbes I find it irrelevant.

Worst Cities:

In Pictures: America's Worst Cities For Finding A Job - America's Worst Cities For Finding A Job - Forbes.com

Best Cities:

In Pictures: America's Best Cities For Finding A Job - America's Best Cities For Finding A Job - Forbes.com
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Old 11-23-2010, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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i suppose you are not comprehending my question. i did not ask you what cleveland is doing to improve itself, i asked you how cleveland is "so much better off" than st. louis. none of your links give me any answers to that question.

The proof is right there in front of you ... if you can't see that Cleveland is advancing and progressing more than St. Louis by researching the data presented, then there's no chance that you will ever know ... or care to know!

I'm certain that St. Louis isn't getting a brand new "state of the art" Convention Center & adjoining Medical Mart, a brand new Casino, a massive and new downtown residential / business neighborhood built on what is now a barren wasteland ... Two of the TOP HOSPITALS in the entire world, a TOP 5 Art Museum, the 2nd largest performing arts / theatre district outside of New York City and the list goes on and on ...
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Old 11-23-2010, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Blue Ash, Ohio (Cincinnati)
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DANNY, I wanted to comment on what you said earlier about Omaha. I have to agree. Completely underrated city. The companies based there have done wonders for the city. I had to go on a business trip to Omaha earlier this summer and I was thinking Omaha, NEBRASKA. Completely changed my view of the city. I have asked if we have any more trips scheduled for Omaha I would take them. The Old Market District, their booming riverfront, great downtown parks (Leahy Mall), great skyline, and the new world class sporting venues.

Omaha really belongs in a bigger class of cities.
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Old 11-23-2010, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Cleveland was deemed the "Most Miserable City" by Forbes Magazine for 2010. Am I missing something?

Oh, rubbish!
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Old 11-23-2010, 08:15 PM
 
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Metro area population and metro area gross metropolitan product.

1. Metro area population, as of 2009:

Chicago: 9,580,567
Detroit: 4,403,437
Minneapolis: 3,269,814
St. Louis: 2,828,990
Cincinnati: 2,171,896
Cleveland: 2,091,286
Kansas City: 2,067,585
Columbus: 1,801,848
Indianapolis: 1,743,658
Milwaukee: 1,559,667

Source: Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. Metro area gross metropolitan product, as of 2009:

Chicago: $514.1 billion
Minneapolis: $192.4 billion
Detroit: $190.8 billion
St. Louis: $127.8 billion
Cleveland: $101.0 billion
Kansas City: $101.0 billion
Cincinnati: $97.1 billion
Indianapolis: $95.8 billion
Columbus: $90.0 billion
Milwaukee: $81.1 billion

Source: http://www.usmayors.org/metroeconomies/0110/charts.pdf

There you go. My list stands. I said:

What I said concurs completely with the metro area population and metro area gross metropolitan product figures for those cities. You could flip Detroit and Minneapolis for 2nd and 3rd place if you want. It doesn't really matter. Based on these numbers, you could even make a case for flipping Cleveland and Kansas City, putting Kansas City in 5th place. Cleveland, Kansas City, and Cincinnati are all very close together in 5th, 6th, and 7th place. Indianapolis, Columbus, and Milwaukee compete for 8th, 9th, and 10th place.
I guess Milwaukee might be the smallest, since it's the smallest metro? Wouldn't that make sense? Milwaukee's metro abuts Chicago's metro.
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Old 11-23-2010, 08:31 PM
 
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The proof is right there in front of you ... if you can't see that Cleveland is advancing and progressing more than St. Louis by researching the data presented, then there's no chance that you will ever know ... or care to know!
the evidence only shows what cleveland is doing, not what st. louis is doing. so how could i possibly draw any informed conclusions based on evidence for only one city?

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I'm certain that St. Louis isn't getting a brand new "state of the art" Convention Center & adjoining Medical Mart
you are right. st. louis is not getting a new convention center. but st. louis has a convention center that will still be larger than cleveland's new convention center: 502,000 sf vs. 460,000 sf. you can look that up.

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, a brand new Casino,
actually that's not true, st. louis just opened the new river city casino, which is only in addition to the other 6 or 7 casinos in the metro area. st. louis is currently the 6th largest casino market in the united states (http://www.americangaming.org/Industry/factsheets/statistics_detail.cfv?id=4 - broken link) and is currently the front runner for yet another gaming license (not that the city needs another one). st. louis is much more of a gambling town than cleveland.

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a massive and new downtown residential / business neighborhood built on what is now a barren wasteland
not true again. ballpark village is still imminent, even though financing has faced setbacks. it will definitely happen though.

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... Two of the TOP HOSPITALS in the entire world
barnes-jewish/washington university is also among the top in the world. the cleveland clinic is the only one in that city that ranks above it.

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, a TOP 5 Art Museum, the 2nd largest performing arts / theatre district outside of New York City and the list goes on and on ...
please post sources to these facts. even if they are true, there are other institutions in which st. louis ranks higher-- zoo, botanical garden, urban park, iconic landmark, etc. this is one of those tit-for-tat scenarios. but at least post your sources.

i don't want to make this a cleveland vs. st. louis thread because i really do think cleveland is great, but you just make these blanket generalizations without any comparative data to back you up whatsoever. if you post numbers for cleveland, it's only fair for you to post correlating data for st. louis. only then can you be credible in making statements such as "cleveland is far better off than st. louis." until then, i just don't believe it.
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