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Old 11-25-2010, 06:22 PM
 
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The American Midwest
1. Chicago

2. Detroit
3. Minneapolis-Saint Paul
4. Cleveland
5. Saint Louis

Next Tier: Kansas City/Milwaukee/Cincinnati
Then: Indianapolis
And Finally: Columbus


The American South
1. Atlanta

2. Charlotte
3. New Orleans
4. Nashville
5. Raleigh-Durham
6. Memphis

Next Tier: Jacksonville/Richmond/Norfolk-Hampton Roads/Louisville
Then: Birmingham
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Old 11-25-2010, 09:10 PM
 
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As others have said:
Detroit and Minneapolis-St.Paul for 2nd and 3rd, then Cleveland and St.Louis for 4th and 5th. I would place Cleveland ahead of St. Louis.
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Old 11-25-2010, 09:18 PM
 
Location: NE Kansas City, MO
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Detroit
St. Louis
Minneapolis
Cleveland
Indy
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Old 11-25-2010, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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wow thanks for that crazy informative data, Dannyy!
I really find that college degree density chart interesting. Minneapolis is up there with DC and Chicago, but Detroit is near the bottom. I think perhaps that shows the potential for the future of these cities, unfortunately for Detroit.
-Also, the fact that (depending on MSA vs. CSA) minneapolis has about 1M fewer ppl than Detroit, it still pretty much matches it in GDP - it shows the productivity of the people.
One factor making Detroit near the bottom is because for many years you didn't need a college degree in Detroit to get a really good high paying job. The auto industry didn't really push for the college education. You could work in the plant with a highschool diploma and live middle class
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Old 11-26-2010, 04:25 AM
 
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the facts pretty much say it all:

metro area population (msa):

11 Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI MSA 4,403,437
16 Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI MSA 3,269,814
18 St. Louis, MO-IL MSA 2,828,990
24 Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN MSA 2,171,896

26 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH MSA 2,091,286
29 Kansas City, MO-KS MSA 2,067,585
32 Columbus, OH MSA 1,801,848
34 Indianapolis-Carmel, IN MSA 1,743,658
39 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI MSA 1,559,667

Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


consolidated metro area population (csa):

11 Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI CSA 5,327,764
13 Minneapolis-St. Paul-St. Cloud, MN-WI CSA 3,604,460
15 St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL CSA 2,892,874
16 Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH CSA 2,891,988

21 Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington, OH-KY-IN CSA 2,214,954[/b]
22 Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS CSA 2,136,653
23 Indianapolis-Anderson-Columbus, IN CSA 2,064,870
24 Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe, OH CSA 2,031,229
26 Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI CSA 1,760,268

Table of United States Combined Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


urbanized area population (2000):

9 Detroit, MI UA 3,903,377
16 Minneapolis-Saint Paul, MN UA 2,388,593
17 Saint Louis, MO-IL UA 2,077,662
21 Cleveland, OH UA 1,786,647

26 Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN UA 1,503,262
29 Kansas City, MO-KS UA 1,361,744
32 Milwaukee, WI UA 1,308,913
33 Indianapolis, IN UA 1,218,919

List of United States urban areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


gross metropolitan product (2010):

Minneapolis: $192.4 billion
Detroit: $190.8 billion
St. Louis: $127.8 billion
Cleveland: $101.0 billion

Kansas City: $101.0 billion
Cincinnati: $97.1 billion
Indianapolis: $95.8 billion
Columbus: $90.0 billion
Milwaukee: $81.1 billion

http://www.usmayors.org/metroeconomies/0110/charts.pdf


there are only 3 cities that rank in the top 4 behind chicago consistently for most empirical data:

detroit
minneapolis
st. louis

cleveland is usually next. facts are facts.
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Old 11-27-2010, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Wow, that's impressing that Detroit Metro has a much higher population than MSP, but they have about the same Metro GDP. I was in Detroit two years ago, that city has such a huge potential and Downtown still feels like you're in a city leagues above Minneapolis, which is unfortunately not true anymore (well, unfortunately for Detrot )
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Old 11-28-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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The American Midwest
1. Chicago

2. Detroit
3. Minneapolis-Saint Paul
4. Cleveland
5. Saint Louis

Next Tier: Kansas City/Milwaukee/Cincinnati
Then: Indianapolis
And Finally: Columbus


The American South
1. Atlanta

2. Charlotte
3. New Orleans
4. Nashville
5. Raleigh-Durham
6. Memphis

Next Tier: Jacksonville/Richmond/Norfolk-Hampton Roads/Louisville
Then: Birmingham
Your ranking for the midwest makes some sense to me. But Columbus after Milwaukee or Indianapolis? Columbus' GDP is greater than Milwaukee and has 3 more fortune 500 companies than Indianapolis. Columbus' metro is larger than Indianapolis and Milwaukee. For events (tours etc) Columbus attracts many that skip Kansas City, Indianapolis, and Milwaukee (and sometimes St.Louis and Cincinnati these days). That is a ranking of "importance" as well. I think your ranking may be based on NFL sports teams only?

This is 2010 and now it should be:

1. Chicago

2. Detroit
3. Minneapolis-Saint Paul
4. Cleveland
5. Saint Louis

Next Tier: Kansas City/Columbus/Cincinnati
Then: Indianapolis
And Finally: Milwaukee

Last edited by streetcreed; 11-28-2010 at 03:00 PM..
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Old 11-28-2010, 03:15 PM
 
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One factor making Detroit near the bottom is because for many years you didn't need a college degree in Detroit to get a really good high paying job. The auto industry didn't really push for the college education. You could work in the plant with a highschool diploma and live middle class
That was true of all of the industrialized New England, Northeastern and Midwestern cities.
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Old 12-09-2010, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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In continuation with my initial list:
- Detroit
- Minneapolis-Saint Paul
- Saint Louis
- Cincinnati

More reasons to support as to "why" I think those are the 4 most important cities in the Midwest after Chicago.

The Total Personal Income List 2009 by MSA:
01. New York City: 998,776,802
02. Los Angeles: 551,271
03. Chicago: 418,929
04. Washington DC: 309,080
05. Philadelphia: 271,943
06. San Francisco-Oakland: 257,761
07. Houston: 255,635
08. Dallas-Fort Worth: 254,769
09. Boston: 246,471
10. Miami-Fort Lauderdale: 229,380
11. Atlanta: 199,747
12. Seattle: 166,902
13. Detroit: 165,311
14. Phoenix: 149,611
15. Minneapolis-St. Paul: 149,594
16. San Diego: 139,345
17. Baltimore: 129,061
18. Riverside-San Bernardino: 124,004
19. Denver: 117,350
20. St. Louis: 114,127
21. San Jose: 101,926
22. Tampa: 101,045
23. Pittsburgh: 99,418
24. Portland: 86,822
25. Sacramento: 85,596
26. Cincinnati: 82,897
27. Cleveland: 82,288
28. Kansas City: 81,915

29. San Antonio: 71,489
30. Orlando: 71,458
31. Las Vegas: 71,275
32. Columbus: 68,907
33. Indianapolis: 66,850

34. Virginia Beach: 66,434
35. Providence: 65,291
36. Charlotte: 65,234
37. Milwaukee: 65,031
38. Austin: 60,568
39. Nashville: 60,548
40. Hartford: 59,402
41. Jacksonville: 51,533
42. Richmond: 51,065
43. Memphis: 48,094
44. New Orleans: 47,419
45. Louisville: 47,208
46. Oklahoma City: 46,525
47. Birmingham: 43,511
48. Raleigh-Cary: 42,611
49. Buffalo: 42,155
50. Salt Lake City: 41,805
51. Honolulu: 41,282
52. Rochester: 40,586

Source: http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regi...df/mpi0810.pdf
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Old 12-09-2010, 08:31 PM
 
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Your ranking for the midwest makes some sense to me. But Columbus after Milwaukee or Indianapolis? Columbus' GDP is greater than Milwaukee and has 3 more fortune 500 companies than Indianapolis. Columbus' metro is larger than Indianapolis and Milwaukee. For events (tours etc) Columbus attracts many that skip Kansas City, Indianapolis, and Milwaukee (and sometimes St.Louis and Cincinnati these days). That is a ranking of "importance" as well. I think your ranking may be based on NFL sports teams only?

This is 2010 and now it should be:

1. Chicago

2. Detroit
3. Minneapolis-Saint Paul
4. Cleveland
5. Saint Louis

Next Tier: Kansas City/Columbus/Cincinnati
Then: Indianapolis
And Finally: Milwaukee
Milwaukee's metro isn't as big as some, but the city of Milwaukee is bigger than Minneapolis, Kansas City, Cleveland and Cincinnati. One thing to remember, is that Milwaukee's metro and Chicago's metro meet. Chicago has taken over some of Milwaukee's metro, and with the two cities as close as they are, a business is more likely to locate in Chicago than Milwaukee. That only makes sense. Don't try to diminish Milwaukee, though, it's a beautiful city on a beautiful lake, and it's metro meets Chicago's metro.

Milwaukee also has the same number of Fortune 500 companies as Cincinnati and Columbus - more than Kansas City, Cleveland and Indianapolis.
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