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Old 11-26-2010, 08:50 PM
 
Location: IN
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Can I ask what gives Kansas an "odd social culture", as GraniteStater said earlier?
KS has odd social culture? Yes, extremely socially conservative... and all that goes along with it compared to 98+% of the rest of the country. The far fringe has taken control of Kansas- pushing "social issues," AKA more big government involvement in people's lives. (Disclosure: I dislike the fringe of ANY political party).
Backlash feared as some in GOP push social issues - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101126/ap_on_re_us/us_pushing_social_issues#mwpphu-container - broken link)

The Midwest core is much more mainstream conservative in a more traditional fashion (fiscally, libertarian, 2nd amendment rights etc) in the rural areas.
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Old 11-26-2010, 08:52 PM
 
Location: IN
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They certainly are doing better in this first great depression of this century vs the last one that hit the western midwest or plains states hard and holding up better than the rest of the country too.
I read that Dodge City, KS built a big casino and is facing labor shortages due to their "forced economic growth." If most people don't want to live there even if it has jobs, the place is not very desirable.
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Old 11-26-2010, 09:41 PM
 
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I read that Dodge City, KS built a big casino and is facing labor shortages due to their "forced economic growth." If most people don't want to live there even if it has jobs, the place is not very desirable.
That is no mans land and Kansas is the worst off of these western midwest states and Missouri has many issues too but the states to the north of these have held up quite well and have a lower crime rate than the above mentioned states. North Dakota is interesting though with their state owned bank and budget surplus in this time of debt saturation and to see what's going on in Ireland as the spreads continue to blow wide open and the cost of borrowing ramps up there and in one country after another in Europe. This is coming to the United States eventually so North Dakota will be interesting to watch during all this in the coming years.

Bank of North Dakota

Think of it as a central bank that works for its own people which is the opposite of what most central banks do.
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Old 11-26-2010, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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I can't speak for all of the western Midwest, but I know that Mankato is quite liberal, as is Marshall, the rest of prairie Minnesota and much of Iowa. Kansas is one of the most Republican states in the country, but it doesn't represent all Plains states. Even the Dakotas are more of the small-government type conservative over the neocon Bush/Palin kind that dominates the South, Missouri and Kansas.

By the way, Minnesota (yes, I know part of it is not Plains) and Iowa are gaining population, as is South Dakota.
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Old 11-26-2010, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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KS has odd social culture? Yes, extremely socially conservative... and all that goes along with it compared to 98+% of the rest of the country. The far fringe has taken control of Kansas- pushing "social issues," AKA more big government involvement in people's lives. (Disclosure: I dislike the fringe of ANY political party).
Backlash feared as some in GOP push social issues - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101126/ap_on_re_us/us_pushing_social_issues#mwpphu-container - broken link)

The Midwest core is much more mainstream conservative in a more traditional fashion (fiscally, libertarian, 2nd amendment rights etc) in the rural areas.

Most of the midwest is socially conservative. It is not just Kansas. Even in states like Illinois that are thought to be liberal, the people of rural Ill are very socially conservative. I live in Michigan and I can say for a fact that most people here believe in traditional values. We had a gay marriage ban that passed by 70% here a few years back. Pro second amendment views are very strong here as well. Many democrats get elected here because of the union vote and farm subsidies but the people of this state are very traditional compared to the coasts. Many people are still taught here that the democrats are looking out for the little guy economically, while still holding on to thier traditional values. For this reason a great many of the democrats elected from midwest states tend to be of the "blue dog" variety. I think you would find all midwest states to be the same in that regard. A vote for the democrat does not really mean that the state is truly supportive of the liberal cause. The same election that Michigans gay marriage ban passed by an overwhelming margin, the state selected Kerry for president by 1%. I know it does not make much sense, but things like that happen alot here. Will you find an oddball liberal town like Madison Wi here and there? yea you will, but usually it is only like that because of a college located there. If you roll into most midwest towns with a coexist bumper sticker right next to one that says "9-11 was an inside job" you will get many strange looks. If you have a rainbow license plate on the front of your car you will get strange looks. Just because some states in the upper midwest have tended democrat in recent pres elections does not mean they are truly progressive. This is not New England, or Cascadia.
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Old 11-27-2010, 12:35 AM
 
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Granite Stater...Just an FYI:

Omaha is not a smaller metro than most in the US. It is sitting at 58th largest out of 363 defined metropolitan areas (up from 61st).
It is just shy of 900,000 people with another metro of 300,000 (Lincoln) just 23 miles from edge to edge. Both are growing quite nicely in both metropolitan areas and city growth (Omaha is estiamted at 464,000 and Lincoln at 252,000).
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Old 11-27-2010, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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Most of the midwest is socially conservative. It is not just Kansas. Even in states like Illinois that are thought to be liberal, the people of rural Ill are very socially conservative. I live in Michigan and I can say for a fact that most people here believe in traditional values. We had a gay marriage ban that passed by 70% here a few years back. Pro second amendment views are very strong here as well. Many democrats get elected here because of the union vote and farm subsidies but the people of this state are very traditional compared to the coasts. Many people are still taught here that the democrats are looking out for the little guy economically, while still holding on to thier traditional values. For this reason a great many of the democrats elected from midwest states tend to be of the "blue dog" variety. I think you would find all midwest states to be the same in that regard. A vote for the democrat does not really mean that the state is truly supportive of the liberal cause. The same election that Michigans gay marriage ban passed by an overwhelming margin, the state selected Kerry for president by 1%. I know it does not make much sense, but things like that happen alot here. Will you find an oddball liberal town like Madison Wi here and there? yea you will, but usually it is only like that because of a college located there. If you roll into most midwest towns with a coexist bumper sticker right next to one that says "9-11 was an inside job" you will get many strange looks. If you have a rainbow license plate on the front of your car you will get strange looks. Just because some states in the upper midwest have tended democrat in recent pres elections does not mean they are truly progressive. This is not New England, or Cascadia.
That's pretty much true of Michigan (I'm from MI so I know), but it's not that way in Minnesota, which is truly progressive -- even in the rural areas. Still, MI is no where near as conservative as the south or states like Kansas.
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Old 11-27-2010, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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That's pretty much true of Michigan (I'm from MI so I know), but it's not that way in Minnesota, which is truly progressive -- even in the rural areas. Still, MI is no where near as conservative as the south or states like Kansas.
Minnesota will become socially conservative, because the growing influence of somali immigrants in this state and their numerous babies ! Mark my words !
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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That's pretty much true of Michigan (I'm from MI so I know), but it's not that way in Minnesota, which is truly progressive -- even in the rural areas. Still, MI is no where near as conservative as the south or states like Kansas.
Minnesota will become socially conservative, because the growing influence of somali immigrants in this state and their numerous babies ! Mark my words !
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Old 11-27-2010, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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How are Somalis socially conservative? Most are Muslim, but that's different than American-style social conservatism. Can you really see black Muslims voting Republican? Also, there aren't that many Somalis here. There are a lot in the Cities, and a few in Mankato and St. Cloud, with almost none elsewhere in the state.
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