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Old 11-27-2010, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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How are Somalis socially conservative? Most are Muslim, but that's different than American-style social conservatism. Can you really see black Muslims voting Republican? Also, there aren't that many Somalis here. There are a lot in the Cities, and a few in Mankato and St. Cloud, with almost none elsewhere in the state.
You didn't understand
They won't vote Republican because they're blacks & muslims ! But they'll fight against gay rights, abortion rights...etc...And to have their vote some dems could support their views, as some democrates in red states.
I'm not sure their presence is a good thing for socially liberal people as me.
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Old 11-27-2010, 02:19 PM
 
Location: IN
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Most of the midwest is socially conservative. It is not just Kansas. Even in states like Illinois that are thought to be liberal, the people of rural Ill are very socially conservative. I live in Michigan and I can say for a fact that most people here believe in traditional values. We had a gay marriage ban that passed by 70% here a few years back. Pro second amendment views are very strong here as well. Many democrats get elected here because of the union vote and farm subsidies but the people of this state are very traditional compared to the coasts. Many people are still taught here that the democrats are looking out for the little guy economically, while still holding on to thier traditional values. For this reason a great many of the democrats elected from midwest states tend to be of the "blue dog" variety. I think you would find all midwest states to be the same in that regard. A vote for the democrat does not really mean that the state is truly supportive of the liberal cause. The same election that Michigans gay marriage ban passed by an overwhelming margin, the state selected Kerry for president by 1%. I know it does not make much sense, but things like that happen alot here. Will you find an oddball liberal town like Madison Wi here and there? yea you will, but usually it is only like that because of a college located there. If you roll into most midwest towns with a coexist bumper sticker right next to one that says "9-11 was an inside job" you will get many strange looks. If you have a rainbow license plate on the front of your car you will get strange looks. Just because some states in the upper midwest have tended democrat in recent pres elections does not mean they are truly progressive. This is not New England, or Cascadia.
I generally agree with your points regarding blue dog democrats in the Midwest and MI. This is obviously strongly related to economic issues with regard to the manufacturing and industrial employment in this region. However, I HAVE LIVED in KS and states like MI and IN are not even remotely as socially conservative as KS. Read up on Sam Brownback. I don't think you would find as many characters like him that are as overtly fringy in the Upper Midwest.
I still think that the Republican party is going through a sharp fissure with the social conservatives and neoconservatives on one side, and the more mainstream small government fiscal conservatives on the other side.

Also, not all of New England is politically similar either as I HAVE LIVED in NH and still have family who live there. The more rural counties of VT, NH, and ME are far more conservative than most people realize. (A lot of people who support fiscal conservative issues, pro 2nd ammendement folks, and some social conservatives).
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Old 11-27-2010, 02:22 PM
 
Location: IN
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Granite Stater...Just an FYI:

Omaha is not a smaller metro than most in the US. It is sitting at 58th largest out of 363 defined metropolitan areas (up from 61st).
It is just shy of 900,000 people with another metro of 300,000 (Lincoln) just 23 miles from edge to edge. Both are growing quite nicely in both metropolitan areas and city growth (Omaha is estiamted at 464,000 and Lincoln at 252,000).
Yes, I know Omaha is not that small population wise. I would definitely move to metros like Des Moines or Omaha over Kansas City any day of the week. Kansas City is still fighting the bistate war with Kansas City, MO and Johnson County, KS fighting for jobs amongst themselves using corporate welfare incentives. This is the only metro in the Plains/Midwest where this is such an enormous issue.
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