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Old 11-26-2010, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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i just saw an article in the ny times that caught my attention.

the report, which was released very recently, ranks new york city as having the worst traffic in north america.

now, i usually view these "best/worst" lists with a grain of salt, as the rankings seem to fluctuate yearly and are based on any number of factors, including editorial biases. but i wanted to bring this article to the forum's attention because it would seem to subvert some of the most commonly held notions about which cities have the worst traffic. so many CD posters love to rip on the sprawling sunbelt cities when it comes to traffic and lack of mass transit alternatives, but at least one study suggests that some of the cities with the best mass transit in north america also have some of the worst traffic.

in case anyone is wondering, i'm not trying to defend decentralized land-use patterns, nor am i trying to discredit the efficiency of compact, walkable city centers with excellent mass transit. i just wanted to show that in spite of what some people on this site want to believe, heavy automobile congestion is caused by a lot of factors, not the least of which is simply having a massive amount of people in a finite amount of space.

incidentally, i have felt for years that the nyc metro has the absolute worst traffic in the nation, hands down, based on extensive firsthand experience driving throughout the city and region. so this report comes as no shock to me.

here's a quick snippet from the article:

Worst Rush Hours in the United States
1. New York City
2. Washington
3. San Francisco
4. Seattle
5. Los Angeles
6. Philadelphia
7. Chicago
8. Dallas-Ft.Worth
9. Atlanta
10. Houston

Freeways with the Slowest Typical Rush Hour
1. New York City – Brooklyn Battery Tunnel (northbound)
2. New York City – George Washington Bridge (eastbound)
3. Montreal – Autoroute 15 – (eastbound)
4. Philadelphia – U.S. 202 (southbound)
5. Montreal – Route 138 (westbound)
6. New York City – George Washington Bridge (westbound)
7. Los Angeles – 1-10 (eastbound)
8. Boston – U.S. 1 (northbound)
9. Dallas – Texas State Highway Spur 366 (eastbound)
10. Toronto – Don Valley Parkway (northbound)
FINALLY!!! - whenever i sit in NYC traffic i always think about those polls putting LA, DC etc way ahead.. any NY commuter shares my level of baffled. yeah, they're bad but not mentioning the traffic in NYC is just silly
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Old 11-27-2010, 07:32 AM
 
Location: a swanky suburb in my fancy pants
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NY's traffic is bad in the outer boros and the suburbs, not just Manhattan. (metro NY has more miles of freeway than L.A.) At any time of the day in any direction traffic can come to a stop for no apparent reason except volume. Rush hour lasts all day and far into the night. BTW this study did include metros, not just city centers. Rt 202 in metro Philly, one of the trouble spots, is 25 miles from downtown.
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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To be fair, traffic on a 4 lane road such as the Brooklyn tunnel is kind of different to traffic on a 10 lane superhighway.
Good point. A lot has to do with the geography, too. NYC sits on islands, which in and of itself creates a unique problem. You have to cross water to get there, no matter what.
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:43 AM
 
Location: The City
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NY's traffic is bad in the outer boros and the suburbs, not just Manhattan. (metro NY has more miles of freeway than L.A.) At any time of the day in any direction traffic can come to a stop for no apparent reason except volume. Rush hour lasts all day and far into the night. BTW this study did include metros, not just city centers. Rt 202 in metro Philly, one of the trouble spots, is 25 miles from downtown.

NYC has some nasty places, especially areas that cross into Manhattan

I am also surprised that 202 in philly (although bad) is the worst, 76 and 422 or even 42 in Jersey seem worse to me... But all those highways that converge on KOP are pretty nasty.

I am also NOT surprised to see DC so high, I always thought overall was worse than NYC, for whatever reason the NYC never bothers me as much and North Jersey highways are pretty good considering the volumes they handle
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Why am I totally unsurprised at learning this?

As a lifelong New Yorker my advice to newcomers is this: if you're gonna drive in Manhattan, on the Long Island Expressway, or the Cross Bronx - pack a lunch!
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Old 11-27-2010, 09:08 AM
 
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This is not a surprise. NYC has always been limited in it's expressways due to the high density of buildings. You simply can not put in a large superhighway in most of NYC. Many of these highways and expressways only have three lanes going in each direction where other cities would have more.
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Old 11-27-2010, 03:15 PM
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Only commute that matters is one's own

Most high-income jobs in any modern region like SiliconValley are in low-lying suburban office parks nr suburban homes of workers, making for rather short drives to office (and offices with plenty of free, spacious parking garages and amenities like cafes/gyms, etc to allow workers to not waste time searching for such stuff during workday)

Mobile computing (of past 5yrs) and suburbanization of most major company HQs and high-income jobs (a process of past 25+yrs) have made notion of 45+min drives (or commutes via some smelly/sweaty/unsafe form of mass transit) from distant leafy suburbs (or slummy outer boroughs of NYC or slummy close-in suburbs of other elderly cities) to some CBD w/skyscrapers a quaint notion of Luddites (usually journalists or commies from Manhattan or DC or SF), who simply fail to understand the suburbanization and virtualization (incl telecommuting) of the modern business world and its most lucrative jobs and industries: largely enabled by stuff invented by engineers in car-centric Silicon Valley suburbia....
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:37 PM
 
Location: The City
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He's like Batman
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Old 11-28-2010, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC NoVA
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"at least one study suggests that some of the cities with the best mass transit in north america also have some of the worst traffic." < That's a canard conservatives like to use to support the "autos only" policies they espouse for American cities. It's not a surprise that NYC would have the "worst traffic". It IS the largest city, after all. If you are a habitual driver, you'd be miserable there. But if you are open to alternative transportation, you are in luck. The city has the best transit, commuter rail, taxi system and is most walkable of any city in America. Compare that to cities like LA, Houston, Dallas, etc.
lol dude the quick jabs are getting old. every time i read your crap you're taking quick shots. chill the hell out. i'm more conservative and don't mind public transport only if i'm in dc and traveling within dc, however i have a car and would rather set the temperature to my comfort, set my radio up, and go my own pace. why rely on transport anyway? standing around at a train station in 40 degrees for a half hour isn't my thing and why it's your thing i don't know. do you take pride in feeling like you helped traffic today? woohoo! enjoy the fare hikes.
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Old 11-28-2010, 09:49 AM
 
Location: PG County, MD
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lol dude the quick jabs are getting old. every time i read your crap you're taking quick shots. chill the hell out.
how does this differ from every post of yours taking quick jabs at the "3rd world scum" ruining your life?
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