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Old 07-16-2007, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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In general which states in the U.S. would you say are on the decline in all respects and which are on the rise? Obviously the sunbelt seems to be on the rise as far as population is concerned at least. It seems the Northeast is being slowly drained of at least part of its former preeminence. What do you think?
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Old 07-16-2007, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Scarsdale, NY
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In general which states in the U.S. would you say are on the decline in all respects and which are on the rise? Obviously the sunbelt seems to be on the rise as far as population is concerned at least. It seems the Northeast is being slowly drained of at least part of its former preeminence. What do you think?
The Northeast is doing fine. We're gaining population.

California's native population is leaving. 54% of California's natives are fleeing the state. The only thing that seems to be keeping them alive are Hispanics and illegal immigrants. But I wouldn't say they're on the decline, but they're not really on the rise either.

I'd say Michigan is on the decline. I'd say Florida, New York, Georgia, Arizona, and Texas are on the rise.
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Old 07-16-2007, 10:53 AM
 
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Florida is also only gaining population becuase of immigration. Americans, on the whole, are leaving the place like it has the plague. Hurricane insurance costs thousands per year, real estate is artifically high, jobs are generally low-paying. I'll take MIchigan, seriously. I would be interesting to see how "native" Americans have migrated in the last few years. The Census Bureau can say that the fastest growing places are in the sunbelt, but one can not help but think of WHO is populating those areas. Just saw a thing that Calif., by 2050, will nearly double in population, but will be 52% Hispanic and only a quarter White. Their economy is booming right now, but water and land shortages will hurt in a couple decades. Also, remember that a place that is declining in population can still be doing well. Things like infrastructure, supply, investment in technology, cost, et. cetera are usually more important than population (which is surprisingly fluid)
So I think you have to look at a time line. Fla. IS still growing, but how and for how long? People should make two lists. Remember also, that the Northeast isn't in active decline, just comparatively low in growth.
My lists
Booming Now
-Fla.
-Calif.
-Tex.
-Georgia
-Ariz.
Future Growth
-N.C.
-Ohio
-Penn.
-Mo.
-Wisc.
-Ill.
-Mass.
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Scarsdale, NY
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Florida is also only gaining population becuase of immigration. Americans, on the whole, are leaving the place like it has the plague. Hurricane insurance costs thousands per year, real estate is artifically high, jobs are generally low-paying. I'll take MIchigan, seriously. I would be interesting to see how "native" Americans have migrated in the last few years. The Census Bureau can say that the fastest growing places are in the sunbelt, but one can not help but think of WHO is populating those areas. Just saw a thing that Calif., by 2050, will nearly double in population, but will be 52% Hispanic and only a quarter White. Their economy is booming right now, but water and land shortages will hurt in a couple decades. Also, remember that a place that is declining in population can still be doing well. Things like infrastructure, supply, investment in technology, cost, et. cetera are usually more important than population (which is surprisingly fluid)
So I think you have to look at a time line. Fla. IS still growing, but how and for how long? People should make two lists. Remember also, that the Northeast isn't in active decline, just comparatively low in growth.
My lists
Booming Now
-Fla.
-Calif.
-Tex.
-Georgia
-Ariz.
Future Growth
-N.C.
-Ohio
-Penn.
-Mo.
-Wisc.
-Ill.
-Mass.
I don't see Missouri and Massachusetts growing much in the future. Mass. is too over-priced. I can understand why NYC is so expensive, people want to move here. But Boston? It's a real cool city, but not many people are attracted to living there.

Missouri? Honestly, I can't find one attractive quality it has that would convince people to move there. I do see NC growing, obviously. It's growing right now. Wisconsin, I don't see that as a booming state anytime in the future. Illinois--Chicago is growing, besides that, not really. I see Pennsylvania growing.

I still don't think California is really that booming. It's a popular place for Hispanics, illegal immigrants, and some Asians, other than that, California isn't all that booming. More Americans are leaving it than moving there.
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:39 AM
 
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I just visited the Philadelphia suburbs and South Jersey. After reading the PA and NJ message boards I was beginning to get the impression that the area was depressed, and filled with rude people. I saw new construction all over, crowded malls in PA and crowded resorts in New Jersey along with the loud sound of "ka ching." The people were friendly and helpful. Thank you to the guy on the beach that helped me with my umbrella! I saw much natural beauty with rolling hills and lush green vegetation in PA. The New Jersey shore areas of Ocean City, Margate and Ventnor were clean and well kept. The weather was hot but I didn't suffer any as I body surfed on a boogie board in the cool and refreshing Atlantic Ocean. Now I'm back in the sunbelt - and feeling depressed! LOL!
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:08 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Well...I know the South in general seems to be on the rise, particularly the Upper South with the exception of Arkansas. Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia, and North Carolina seem to me to be some of the most talked-about states in the country right now. Georgia, Alabama, and Florida are doing fairly well too, as was Louisiana up to Katrina...I don't know about Mississippi. The Southwest is definitely on the rise. Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona, and California are all booming right now. I don't know how the Great Plains are doing but I'd suspect Colorado is probably on the rise as well. The Upper Midwest with the exception of Michigan I'd suspect is doing fairly well, particularly Minnesota, Iowa, and Michigan. Missouri is so-so, probably fairly better than the rest of the lower Midwest....it's really taking off in the Southern parts of the state like Springfield and Joplin. Illinois is probably alright I guess given Southern Illinois is really gaining in population and Chicago is keeping it steady. Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio probably to me I'd say would be my picks for declining states and maybe Pennsylvania, but again this is all based on how certain parts of them are doing. I know that Detroit and Cleveland are starting to lose population in their metro areas....in contrast, Columbus and Cincy appear to be growing.
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Scarsdale, NY
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I just visited the Philadelphia suburbs and South Jersey. After reading the PA and NJ message boards I was beginning to get the impression that the area was depressed, and filled with rude people. I saw new construction all over, crowded malls in PA and crowded resorts in New Jersey along with the loud sound of "ka ching." The people were friendly and helpful. Thank you to the guy on the beach that helped me with my umbrella! I saw much natural beauty with rolling hills and lush green vegetation in PA. The New Jersey shore areas of Ocean City, Margate and Ventnor were clean and well kept. The weather was hot but I didn't suffer any as I body surfed on a boogie board in the cool and refreshing Atlantic Ocean. Now I'm back in the sunbelt - and feeling depressed! LOL!
Yeah, crime is pretty bad in the Philly and NYC metro. I think NJ and PA will pull together. I definitely see the shores of Jersey going through a major boom in the near future, also.
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Phoenix metro
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The Upper Midwest with the exception of Michigan I'd suspect is doing fairly well, particularly Minnesota, Iowa, and Michigan.


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Illinois is probably alright I guess given Southern Illinois is really gaining in population and Chicago is keeping it steady.
Not really. Chicagoland is booming, southern IL is holding on for dear life if anything. Places like B-N and C-U are steady, experiencing some growth, but the far southern portions of the state are the definition of rust-belt.
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:23 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Not really. Chicagoland is booming, southern IL is holding on for dear life if anything. Places like B-N and C-U are steady, experiencing some growth, but the far southern portions of the state are the definition of rust-belt.
I was saying Iowa, Wisconsin, and Michigan were doing well Steve-O I guess due to the fact that Iowa and Wisconsin have likely the richest farmland in the Midwest, and I guess since the Twin Cities seem to have escaped their rustbelt reputation...I probably don't know what I'm talking about...forget I brought that up
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:19 PM
 
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NJ and FL are both states where high taxes and cost-of-living are choking out potential growth. Until the laws change, that will stay the same.

I think Arizona will continue to boom, at least until the Phoenix-Tucson metroplex hits 8-9 million people. At that point, there may be some water use issues that will limit growth.

Houston, Austin, and Dallas are all still growing rapidly in Texas, but I expect the very fastest growth in that state to come in the border towns of McAllen and Edinburgh.

States with sluggish or minimal growth would be Michigan, Masschusetts, Ohio, West Virginia, New York outside of the NYC region, Louisiana, and the Dakotas. North Dakota really has nothing going for it in terms of future growth potential. Young people aren't staying.
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