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Old 02-14-2011, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Should the United States ever implement a coast to coast HSR, what should be the two terminus cities and what cities should it connect to in between?
I would say between the cities of Bankrupt and Broke.
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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In my oh-so-humble opinion ... intercity high speed rail is pointless without local public transit systems. In order to make any sense, high speed rail ought to be integrated into an existing pedestrian-based mass transportation system (one that doesn't exist where I am from, that probably won't exist in my lifetime.)

Therefore I do not want the federal goverment paying for high speed rail, because it won't benefit me. I am particularly concerned that the Obamanauts will hijack the federal purse, and spend billions on overpaid union workers in blue states to do the job.

If the northeastern states want to pay for their own rail... i definitely support that, and I think it's a good idea. Just do it on your own dime.
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:04 PM
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In my oh-so-humble opinion ... intercity high speed rail is pointless without local public transit systems. In order to make any sense, high speed rail ought to be integrated into an existing pedestrian-based mass transportation system (one that doesn't exist where I am from, that probably won't exist in my lifetime.)

Therefore I do not want the federal goverment paying for high speed rail, because it won't benefit me. I especially don't want my tax dollars to pay overpaid union workers to do the job.

If the northeastern states want to pay for their own rail... i definitely support that, and I think it's a good idea. Just do it on your own dime.
I would support it and do it on my own dime. Unforntunately, alot of it isn't in demand. It would benefit me. It still leaves one question for me to ask. Why is it that anything I would like and am willing to do, alot of people don't want or care about it(for instance HSR)? I will be honest. In this case, I think in terms of "what will help ME"? And other people think like this too. The difference is that what I am in the minority in terms of MY interests. My main question is "what will help ME"?
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:06 PM
 
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I would support it and do it on my own dime. Unforntunately, alot of it isn't in demand. It would benefit me.
i just don't get it.

let's say we build a HSR station in downtown Kennesaw. I get off the train, from North Carolina.

i'm not going to walk around in Georgia heat, walking miles across sprawl, making my way across 4-lane highways. i'm not going to spend money on a cab. i'm not going to ride the bus with poor people. i'm not going to rent a car. How am I going to get around Kennesaw?
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Old 02-14-2011, 03:03 PM
 
Location: The City
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I disagree with this, I would like the option of someday being able to commute half an hour every day from Philly to DC (and back) for work.
I think this is somewhat true, look at even the Acela today - many of the prominent Law firms locate in Philly right at 30th street so they have very quick rail access to courts in Philly, NYC, and DC

The NE corrider needs more efficient rail and it makes tremedous sense in the area
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:20 PM
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i just don't get it.

let's say we build a HSR station in downtown Kennesaw. I get off the train, from North Carolina.

i'm not going to walk around in Georgia heat, walking miles across sprawl, making my way across 4-lane highways. i'm not going to spend money on a cab. i'm not going to ride the bus with poor people. i'm not going to rent a car. How am I going to get around Kennesaw?
Who says it has to be built in downtown Kennesaw? Just build it in Atlanta and take the bus to Kennesaw. The HSR I am talking about is suppose to be inter-city. I would also be an advocate of improving the mass transit infrastructure in the Atlanta. The current MARTA system in Atlanta is not enough. The rail system itself should be expanded further than it is now. I would be fully in favor of having it expanded to Kennesaw. And who says you have to walk around Kennesaw. You could rent a car if you want.

Either way, the current system of transportation in this country is not adequate and needs massive improvements.
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Old 02-14-2011, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I think the way I think about it. I am just unhappy with the current system in place. I still don't understand how it would be a bad policy. Why not just take out the amtrak trains and replace them with high-speed rail, and add some additional stops to them. We could keep the current routes and add some extra ones. There is a route called the Empire Builder for Amtrak. It goes from Chicago to St.Paul to Portland and Seattle. It goes across open space. If it can be done for Amtrak, why not do it for HSR?
Amtrak - Routes - Northwest - Empire Builder
Because those tracks aren't just there to serve Amtrak. They're there to carry freight around the country. Not only do those Amtrak trains have to share rail space with freight trains, but the freight trains have priority. True HSR needs its own track/right-of-way, and it makes the most sense where there is short-ish distances between major population centers. That's why it works well in Japan and Korea and much of Europe but doesn't make much sense in the interior West.
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Old 02-14-2011, 07:15 PM
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Because those tracks aren't just there to serve Amtrak. They're there to carry freight around the country. Not only do those Amtrak trains have to share rail space with freight trains, but the freight trains have priority. True HSR needs its own track/right-of-way, and it makes the most sense where there is short-ish distances between major population centers. That's why it works well in Japan and Korea and much of Europe but doesn't make much sense in the interior West.
I don't get it. If it is high speed, then it would cross long distances faster.
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Old 02-14-2011, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I don't get it. If it is high speed, then it would cross long distances faster.
HSR has enormous infrastructure costs that are not scalable -- you have to build a nearly identical infrastructure whether your total potential market along the line is 10 people or 10 million people. The more people you can serve with that infrastructure, the less each passenger has to be charged to cover the fixed costs. That's why HSR works well in dense countries/regions/corridors and why a more scalable transportation infrastructure like airports works better in regions with widely scattered population centers.
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Old 02-14-2011, 07:46 PM
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HSR has enormous infrastructure costs that are not scalable -- you have to build a nearly identical infrastructure whether your total potential market along the line is 10 people or 10 million people. The more people you can serve with that infrastructure, the less each passenger has to be charged to cover the fixed costs. That's why HSR works well in dense countries/regions/corridors and why a more scalable transportation infrastructure like airports works better in regions with widely scattered population centers.
What infrastructure costs?

Even if it is kind of expensive, the system currently in place is outdated and wouldn't be helpful for me.
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