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Old 06-15-2012, 05:42 AM
 
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Are you kidding me?
nope
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:23 AM
 
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You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

The growth in the Sunbelt "is mostly from illegal immigrants who have lots of offspring"??? That's a huge stretch and you don't even have a source for such a statement. Now is it true in certain parts of the Sunbelt? Yes (e.g., Los Angeles), but overall? No.
I agree and it's evident given the lack of supporting data.
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:39 AM
 
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nope
Then put your money where your mouth is and cough up some stats.
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Old 06-15-2012, 04:41 PM
 
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While it may not end in the immediate future, it will have an end and will stabilize. There are two main reasons why people are moving south right now. First, there is a large population of Baby Boomers that are beginning to retire to previous vacation places. Second, and more important, is that a lot of the northern cities were hit hard during the last few decades by a large decline in blue-collar jobs such as manufacturing. Even the largest cities, like NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc had growth that was slow or even declining at times not so long ago, but a lot of that decline has been reversing. Northern cities are reinventing themselves with more diversified economies. People ultimately go where the jobs are. Things like the weather play little in that factor. After all, those claiming people leave the North because of long winters ignore the fact that that area had the largest population centers and biggest economic impact for 200 years of our nation's history, at a time when winters were even worse. Winter did not suddenly become an issue. And sorry South, your weather sucks just as bad during your long, miserably hot summer. Throw in the bugs, severe wx, tornadoes, and occasional hurricane, and they're about even. It's about jobs more than anything else.
Agree with this. For years the north had the same weather and people moved north. Its not weather its jobs
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Old 06-15-2012, 05:58 PM
 
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Here is your source
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:30 PM
 
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You call THAT a source?
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:37 PM
 
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You call THAT a source?
It is based off reuters. I suppose you have a problem with them too. It is a common tactic of people on the internet to play the, "Im not listening to your source because it proves me wrong tactic." You asked for a source and you got one backed by reuters. Now it is your turn for a source.
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:48 PM
 
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It is based off reuters. I suppose you have a problem with them too. It is a common tactic of people on the internet to play the, "Im not listening to your source because it proves me wrong tactic." You asked for a source and you got one backed by reuters. Now it is your turn for a source.
First the Sunbelt is such a huge area it is hard to generalize about the problem of illegal immigrants. In some places like Arizona and Texas it is big. In the Southeast they are hired to work at chicken plants or in agriculture. In places like NC they can get driver's licenses and are everywhere. Illegal immigration is definitely a problem in the Sunbelt and contributes to population growth in some states much more than in others but is definitely not the primary or sole source of such growth. Following the passage of the Alabama immigration reform law (before the state turned around and took out the employer penalties part , the only part that has any tooth to it), unemployment dropped significantly in several Alabama counties. That said illegal immigration is a problem in nearly every state so this is not exclusive or typical to just the Sunbelt.
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Old 06-15-2012, 08:32 PM
 
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It is based off reuters. I suppose you have a problem with them too. It is a common tactic of people on the internet to play the, "Im not listening to your source because it proves me wrong tactic." You asked for a source and you got one backed by reuters. Now it is your turn for a source.
1) The Reuters article is gone from that link, so all we have is the snippet of context quoted by this blog
2) The blog has it's own slant, with the author stating: Right-of-center, traditionalist slant on politics, current events, illegal immigration, the rights of the unborn, and judicial activism.
3) It deals with the states of Florida, Texas, California, and Arizona -- so that doesn't necessarily say anything about the Sunbelt as a whole -- just a part of it (border states and points of entry maybe?)
4) There is nothing there to prove your other point Sunbelt growth being fueled by retirees.

You're painting the entire region with a broad brush, and many of your assertions simply don't carry weight when dealing with the entire region.
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:11 PM
 
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1) The Reuters article is gone from that link, so all we have is the snippet of context quoted by this blog
2) The blog has it's own slant, with the author stating: Right-of-center, traditionalist slant on politics, current events, illegal immigration, the rights of the unborn, and judicial activism.
3) It deals with the states of Florida, Texas, California, and Arizona -- so that doesn't necessarily say anything about the Sunbelt as a whole -- just a part of it (border states and points of entry maybe?)
4) There is nothing there to prove your other point Sunbelt growth being fueled by retirees.

You're painting the entire region with a broad brush, and many of your assertions simply don't carry weight when dealing with the entire region.
I remember reading that article when it came out and it definitely proves the point. Im not searching the internet looking for it, but if you really want to know more go find it. The author may be a nut, but he was right about the sunbelt growth.

Florida, Texas, California, and Arizona cover most of the sunbelt growth. Ok, you have Atlanta, NC, and SC, but believe me there are plenty of immigrants in these places. Also, after immigrants the 2nd biggest group is probably retirees, and old people looking to live in a warm climate. They made their money after decades of hard work in areas of the country that have real economic activity. Selling them burgers is not a good way to have an economy.

So the sunbelt growth was from immigrants and retirees. The growth is exponentially decreasing and will soon start to decline since their are no jobs, and there is even going to be less if another downturn happens. Will another downturn happen? The Eurozone could collapse, the ME is extremely unstable in so many ways, the US and Iran might have war that could disrupt oil supplies, and the BRICs (Brazil, Russia, India, and China) have experienced decreased growth and high inflation. All over the world we are seeing increased nationalism and the extreme left and rights are growing. So I would say the sunbelt is pretty much screwed. Without government subsidizing fuel and roads, and without bubbles, there is nothing in the sunbelt.
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