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Old 02-11-2011, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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Really, we should ignore the Canadian border when talking about regions. It is not a cultural border, just a political one. Minnesota is culturally, geographically and climactically more similar to Manitoba or Northwest Ontario than it is to Indiana, even though both MN and IN are said to be "Midwestern" states! The same goes for Michigan, which is far more like Southern Ontario than Missouri. The Southern states, even northern ones like Kentucky, southern Ohio, southern Illinois, Maryland and Delaware are in the southern half of populated North America (sans Mexico).
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Old 02-11-2011, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Really, we should ignore the Canadian border when talking about regions. It is not a cultural border, just a political one. Minnesota is culturally, geographically and climactically more similar to Manitoba or Northwest Ontario than it is to Indiana, even though both MN and IN are said to be "Midwestern" states! The same goes for Michigan, which is far more like Southern Ontario than Missouri. The Southern states, even northern ones like Kentucky, southern Ohio, southern Illinois, Maryland and Delaware are in the southern half of populated North America (sans Mexico).
If you're talking north America as a whole; yes. But we are discussing the United states as they are. Not including Canada.
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Old 02-12-2011, 01:33 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Missouri, Indiana, and Illinois outside of Chicago feel more southern to me.
I had to laugh! Outside of Chicago! There is a saying that people in Chicago think everything south of I-80 is southern Illiniois!
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:08 PM
 
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Kentucky and West Virginia are border states. Huge difference between them and a true Southern state like Alabama.
there certainly is a difference between KY, WV and AL. although that really doesnt have much to do with them being border states, or their proximity to canada for that matter. Northern alabama actually has much more in common with KY and WV than it does with Mobile. it has to do with the appalachian influence that you get in the upper south. KY, TN, WV, AR, etc. are quite similar to each other. although when you get into northern WV it becomes more pennsylvanian. still, they upper south is still very different from the north culturally, and has plenty in common with the deep south as they share similar cultural traditions.
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What I mean is, Ohio is the only state separating Kentucky from Ontario.
only if you went by boat, otherwise youd have to go through michigan

but think about it this way. the canadian border dipping that far south is an oddity. the vast majority of the border is at the latitude of northern MN. like another poster said, ontario was being populated back when these areas were all british territories, so how "thick" the north is doesnt really matter from a cultural sense. had the war of 1812 gona a little different ontario couldve been a US state....

if how far south you are from canada was actually a factor in local cultural traditions then the south would be this:

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Old 02-12-2011, 04:33 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Pennsylvania also has a border with Canada in Lake Erie and a border with the Mason-Dixon line.
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Old 02-12-2011, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Morgantown, WV
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Ever realised how the 'north' is only one state wide at Ohio? In other words, the only thing separating Canada from the south is that big puddle and Ohio, and of course half of Lake Erie is technically in Canada.

Is anyone else kind of surprised how geographically far north the South is supposed to go? I mean Pennsylvania still seems firmly in the 'North', and it borders the Mason-Dixon line! By the definition of the 'technical South', East Liverpool is at the same latitude as New York City!

what about Michigan?
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Old 02-12-2011, 05:48 PM
 
Location: 304
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Here is my question. If the top half of WV is more Northern than Southern, is all of Kentucky Southern? Because if it is then yes Ohio would be one state wide from Canada! Because Northern WV isn't Southern, and I think that all of Kentucky is southern!
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Old 02-12-2011, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Morgantown, WV
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there certainly is a difference between KY, WV and AL. although that really doesnt have much to do with them being border states, or their proximity to canada for that matter. Northern alabama actually has much more in common with KY and WV than it does with Mobile. it has to do with the appalachian influence that you get in the upper south. KY, TN, WV, AR, etc. are quite similar to each other. although when you get into northern WV it becomes more pennsylvanian. still, they upper south is still very different from the north culturally, and has plenty in common with the deep south as they share similar cultural traditions.

only if you went by boat, otherwise youd have to go through michigan

but think about it this way. the canadian border dipping that far south is an oddity. the vast majority of the border is at the latitude of northern MN. like another poster said, ontario was being populated back when these areas were all british territories, so how "thick" the north is doesnt really matter from a cultural sense. had the war of 1812 gona a little different ontario couldve been a US state....

if how far south you are from canada was actually a factor in local cultural traditions then the south would be this:
That map is horrible no offense. You completely cut out the appalachian region which is as southern as anyone can get, while putting Charlotte in the south.
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Old 02-12-2011, 05:55 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Pennsylvania also has a border with Canada in Lake Erie and a border with the Mason-Dixon line.
Yes I also realised that, lol.
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Old 02-12-2011, 06:38 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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That map is horrible no offense. You completely cut out the appalachian region which is as southern as anyone can get, while putting Charlotte in the south.
I think he was just illustrating a point hypothetically. My reference to the 'South' was the technical South, not the actual/cultural south.
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