U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S.
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-10-2011, 10:32 PM
 
17 posts, read 16,057 times
Reputation: 12

Advertisements

As others have stated...... Philly is the obvious choice.

Does anyone have an estimation of the CSA population numbers of philly-nyc?

I would guess between 27-29M.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-10-2011, 10:38 PM
 
Location: The City
22,331 posts, read 32,143,293 times
Reputation: 7737
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcnative83 View Post
As others have stated...... Philly is the obvious choice.

Does anyone have an estimation of the CSA population numbers of philly-nyc?

I would guess between 27-29M.
close to 29 if it happens
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-10-2011, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
3,734 posts, read 3,847,195 times
Reputation: 3560
How would this merge happen though? If Trenton joins Philly MSA, but still stays in NYC CSA, that will automatically join both CSA?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-10-2011, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
18,509 posts, read 28,157,104 times
Reputation: 7598
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gantz View Post
How would this merge happen though? If Trenton joins Philly MSA, but still stays in NYC CSA, that will automatically join both CSA?
it would have to maintain over 25% in Philly MSA and 15% in NY MSA for both to be combined
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-10-2011, 10:50 PM
 
Location: The City
22,331 posts, read 32,143,293 times
Reputation: 7737
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gantz View Post
How would this merge happen though? If Trenton joins Philly MSA, but still stays in NYC CSA, that will automatically join both CSA?

Yes, it only takes one county to make the connection, or at least based on the recomendation or if you go by the 2000 criteria, the same way DC/Balt or SF/SJ are linked as a CSA
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-11-2011, 06:55 AM
 
56,517 posts, read 80,824,285 times
Reputation: 12480
I hope the Syracuse metro gets Cayuga County back.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-11-2011, 12:58 PM
 
9,838 posts, read 11,429,620 times
Reputation: 2353
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidphilly View Post
Yes, it only takes one county to make the connection, or at least based on the recomendation or if you go by the 2000 criteria, the same way DC/Balt or SF/SJ are linked as a CSA
How do you become a MSA then? 25% and 15% for a CSA, what would the numbers be to form one MSA?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-11-2011, 02:23 PM
 
Location: The City
22,331 posts, read 32,143,293 times
Reputation: 7737
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDAllstar View Post
How do you become a MSA then? 25% and 15% for a CSA, what would the numbers be to form one MSA?

Howard or AnneArundel would have to generate a 25% commuter rate with DC MSA counties or PG and Montgomery vice versa, think Howard and/or AnneArundel sending at least 25% of their workforce into the DC MSA would be more likely but I could be wrong. Howard would need to send ~50,000 commuters to the DC MSA or AnneArundel ~80,000.

I honestly do not know what the numbers were in 2000, would need to look it up

Funny thing is on DFW, the growth in jobs and population sizes could actually one day split the DFW MSA to a Dallas MSA and a FT Worth MSA and just linked at the CSA level, it can actually go both ways, a push and pull so to speak

In general the most likely counties to move into any MSA are one with growth on the edge of county nearest the core and with smaller populations, or bases, then the 25% is more easily attained, large counties and more completely developed counties make it much more difficult to break various thresholds typically.

All this being said, I still think for purposes of sizing MSAs the building blocks should be census blocks and not counties, counties are so arbitrary in so many ways on the linkage. This would likely make all areas smaller but would probably better represent the developed influence so to speak. In an area like DC and Baltimore it could actually more accurately split places like AnnaArundel and howard where different parts of the counties are really more aligned one way or another.

As an example a town like Hammonton NJ is part of Atlantic county New Jersey and directly borders Camden county, It is not considered part of the Philly MSA yet 80% of workers commute into the Philly MSA, the other side of Hammonton is the pine Barrens Forrest with virtually no development from there to basically just outside of Atlantic City, but because of the county affiliation none of the this is added in the Philly MSA or CSA for that matter

http://www.state.nj.us/pinelands/lan...ipal%20map.JPG
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-11-2011, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
13,403 posts, read 21,185,677 times
Reputation: 10279
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidphilly View Post
Funny thing is on DFW, the growth in jobs and population sizes could actually one day split the DFW MSA to a Dallas MSA and a FT Worth MSA and just linked at the CSA level, it can actually go both ways, a push and pull so to speak
I would be fine with that. Its not as if Dallas or Fort Worth would magically become different places if they were just a CSA and not an MSA.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-11-2011, 09:33 PM
 
1,054 posts, read 1,833,125 times
Reputation: 699
Omaha will for sure be adding Dodge County which (According to 2009 estimates) helps it surpass 900,000 people. I know this because the migration patterns in Dodge county have surpassed the 25% mark in 2006 as Omaha quickly marches straight towards this county.

Two of Omaha's MSA counties (saudners and Cass) are now qualified to be an MSA county for the Lincoln MSA. I do not know if that will have any affect on if it will help them become a CSA or MSA when the new definitions come out, but the two cities are growing right at each other. (1,200,000+ people)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S.
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top