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Sorry if I come off offended. Perhaps I am a wee bit. You see, we St. Louisans who love our city are sometimes a little touchy. It comes from always having to be on the defensive about our STL, due to the crime rankings, headlines about population loss, etc. (We can certainly sympathize with Detroit!) When Anheuser-Busch was swallowed up by a European corporation, it took away something that was part of STL for ages, and that really smarted. When our airport lost its "hub status", that hurt too.
But--through all of this, one of the things that we could still boast proudly was "We're the Gateway to the West, home of the world-famous Gateway Arch!" And now comes a thread that explores stripping the Gateway City of its long-held moniker. What's next? Suggesting other cities where the Arch might look better?
To be honest, not many St. Louisans will find this thread very complimentary.
Sorry if I come off offended. Perhaps I am a wee bit. You see, we St. Louisans who love our city are sometimes a little touchy. It comes from always having to be on the defensive about our STL, due to the crime rankings, headlines about population loss, etc. (We can certainly sympathize with Detroit!) When Anheuser-Busch was swallowed up by a European corporation, it took away something that was part of STL for ages, and that really smarted. When our airport lost its "hub status", that hurt too.
But--through all of this, one of the things that we could still boast proudly was "We're the Gateway to the West, home of the world-famous Gateway Arch!" And now comes a thread that explores stripping the Gateway City of its long-held moniker. What's next? Suggesting other cities where the Arch might look better?
To be honest, not many St. Louisans will find this thread very complimentary.
You should be watching the game, that should make you feel better. Especially after that homer by Freese last night.
Sorry if I come off offended. Perhaps I am a wee bit. You see, we St. Louisans who love our city are sometimes a little touchy. It comes from always having to be on the defensive about our STL, due to the crime rankings, headlines about population loss, etc. (We can certainly sympathize with Detroit!) When Anheuser-Busch was swallowed up by a European corporation, it took away something that was part of STL for ages, and that really smarted. When our airport lost its "hub status", that hurt too.
But--through all of this, one of the things that we could still boast proudly was "We're the Gateway to the West, home of the world-famous Gateway Arch!" And now comes a thread that explores stripping the Gateway City of its long-held moniker. What's next? Suggesting other cities where the Arch might look better?
To be honest, not many St. Louisans will find this thread very complimentary.
But that's not what anyone is trying to do. Well actually there were a couple people, but that's definitely not the point of the thread. St. Louis will always be the Gateway to the West (as well as one of my favorite cities). If it helps, don't think of the thread as trying to relocate the Gateway to the West, but rather as trying to find the place where the American West really begins. That doesn't mean St. Louis isn't still the "official" city (even though, as I said, and as I think you could probably admit, there are a few too many very non-Western cities west of St. Louis), it just means there's another reference point. I really have nothing against St. Louis - like I said, it's one of my favorite cities (where else will you find anything like the City Museum?) - it's just an interesting thing to think about. Where is the dividing line between West and Midwest? It's kind of ambiguous. Do the Great Plains still count as Midwest? Can a state be half in and half out of the West? See, it's not about bashing St. Louis, it's just an interesting geography exercise.
Has anyone mentioned Albany, NY yet? That's pretty much where New England ends and the West begins.
Its funny you say that because Albany is where the Great Western Turnpike begins!
Seriously, it appears that the concept of "Gateway to The West" has changed over the years. I been thinking about this thread and while I picked St Louis, I can see totally why some people are saying Denver. Denver is centrally located between N and S and has no other larger cities around at the eastern edge of the Rockies to compete with it.
Btw, CONGRATS to St Louis for coming back this year and winning the World Series!
But that's not what anyone is trying to do. Well actually there were a couple people, but that's definitely not the point of the thread. St. Louis will always be the Gateway to the West (as well as one of my favorite cities). If it helps, don't think of the thread as trying to relocate the Gateway to the West, but rather as trying to find the place where the American West really begins. That doesn't mean St. Louis isn't still the "official" city (even though, as I said, and as I think you could probably admit, there are a few too many very non-Western cities west of St. Louis), it just means there's another reference point. I really have nothing against St. Louis - like I said, it's one of my favorite cities (where else will you find anything like the City Museum?) - it's just an interesting thing to think about. Where is the dividing line between West and Midwest? It's kind of ambiguous. Do the Great Plains still count as Midwest? Can a state be half in and half out of the West? See, it's not about bashing St. Louis, it's just an interesting geography exercise.
Fort Worth, Austin, San Antonio. Where the "West" begins, or Western South.
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