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Old 05-20-2011, 07:51 AM
 
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I was wondering, what would a small community need to attract people that come from or that generally prefer a big city environment? Would something like a college or having an art scene attract such people? Would the ethnic/racial make up come into play? What about walkability and shopping?

When I say small town/community, I mean places with less than 10,000 people and that is a place that is more of it's own entity. Meaning, that there is a decent amount of separation from a bigger city center.

Also, give some examples, if you can. I have some in mind, but I'd like to see places that others have in mind.
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Old 05-20-2011, 08:10 AM
 
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There are a number of them that may reside in a metro. The issue may be though they can very much retain their own identity there is still influence from the main city.

Boston/NYC/Philly all would offer many towns that might fit this but I am not sure if you are looking for a place a little further removed


Some examples in Philly might be places like West Chester and Doylestown PA - both about 10K but also offer many amantities of the city including transit, museums, restaurants etc.

To me the challenge at 10K when you get further removed is the places begin to feel much smaller though NYS may have a few towns that are cosmopolitan and further removed
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Old 05-20-2011, 08:44 AM
 
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About the only thing that I think will make a town this small feel like a bigger one is if there is a college or university in it, because the school will attract some of the urban amenities usually found in bigger places-- maybe an art house movie theatre, some nice but inexpensive restaurants, a good bookstore, a coffee house, and a few places to buy clothes beside WalMart. And if there's a campus there will likely be some degree of walkability. Im thinking of NE college town like Williamstown Mass, Middlebury VT., or Hanover NH. Another one I just thought of might be Hamilton NY.

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Old 05-20-2011, 10:56 AM
 
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New Paltz, Saugerties, Hudson, Catskill and perhaps Herkimer, Hamilton, Carthage/West Carthage, Potsdam, Canton, Owego, Clinton, East Aurora, Brockport, Watkins Glen, Norwich, Goshen, Cobleskill, Red Hook and some others in NY.
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Old 05-20-2011, 12:11 PM
 
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I'm not totally sure where this thread is meaning to go. I think that people who prefer a big city environment are going to stay in a big city. People from big cities would be more open to moving to a small town if that small town has a specific draw.

But as you know small towns are on a continuum from suburb that was once had an independent economic existence (Manlius, NY might be an example) to exurban town where most commute but there is a gap (Cazenovia, NY might be an example) to small town with some reason for its own economy that is tough to commute from (Hamilton, NY maybe) to small isolated town with a tourist draw (say, Cooperstown, NY) to a weekender town to a major metro (Saugerties, NY).

People might move from, say, New York City to any of these, but probably not all for the same reasons.

With thousands of small towns in the USA it's far more likely that they will either slowly die or be swallowed up in a metro. Branch plants aren't being built here in the USA any more, even prisons are overbuilt now, colleges are kind of in a bubble now too facing their own subprime crisis with the for-profit schools foreshadowing the larger reality that many people graduating from college are really upside-down equity-wise too.

The surest thing would be to become a place that folks who are returning home or near home want to return to. An example of that might be Tioga County, PA where kids who grew up in, say, Blossburg or Westfield and moved away to a big city, would return but to Wellsboro if they didn't have a big old family place to come back to.

The extractive resource-based industries are of course a wild card. But the gas people and their associated service industries moving into northern and western PA seem to locate either sorta close to airports (not many independent towns < 10,000 would have a scheduled service airport in the East) or maybe the college or "nicer" towns like Indiana, PA.

The city & culture people and the gas people would seem to be an uneasy mix, I see some signs of that in Wellsboro, I guess thinking about it the ex-mayor of Dish, TX and the guy who made the movie "Gasland" came out of an edge milieu. When the drilling hits NY state that edge will multiply dramatically.
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Old 05-20-2011, 12:28 PM
 
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Less than 10K AND offers big-city type amenities?

Hmmmm.....locally, Red Wing, MN; or Nisswa, MN might fit that bill. Small, touristy, pretty.

Boy, this is hard!!!
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Old 05-20-2011, 12:50 PM
 
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I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if there are people that would move to such places from a bigger city, while not sacrificing things we associate with bigger cities, in a positive way(walkability, shopping, the arts, ethnic/racial/ cultural diversity, maybe other things like various types of food establishments, sporting events higher than the HS, etc.).
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Old 05-20-2011, 01:00 PM
 
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I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if there are people that would move to such places from a bigger city, while not sacrificing things we associate with bigger cities, in a positive way(walkability, shopping, the arts, ethnic/racial/ cultural diversity, maybe other things like various types of food establishments, sporting events higher than the HS, etc.).

On the whole while these places can offer similarities; to me part of the big city feel is not only walkability but also connectivity of the wlakability which smaller towns dont offer. Plus though some may offer a comparable amentity none even close to the selection.

I dont think they can offer a big city feel if it truly big city feel you want. But many of these are great and offer a hybrid so to speak.

I love the city but honestly love small towns too - but to me they are for different reasons and personally do not expect a smaller town to offer the same feel - they offer glimpses but not the full picture

They are my two favorite living environments though

I actually believe that there are many small town areas just outside of large cities that can almost offer both (city access) and the small town feel all at once. A local example here would be Haddonfield NJ - a classic American DT - walkable, shops, great schools, tremndous sense of commity, character, walkability aand yet is a 15 minute Patco ride to Center via a hybrid Subway line - almost the best of both worlds for those who live there. A friend always tells me he can take the train into CC for dinner and the Opera and be home in minutes, get up walk and get a cup of coffee and walk his son to soccer down the street in mainstreet america (Though Haddonfield is extremely expensive and a tremendously restrictive architectural group where you have to get approval to change the color of your shutters)

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Old 05-21-2011, 07:46 PM
 
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I guess people can decide if these places would work: Village of Hamilton - Welcome to Hamilton New York

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