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Old 06-07-2011, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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I thought we already pointed out that was not a good way to decide if a city was a large city?
No doubt its large, but if it can't host a SB, how can you say it has everything Miami has?
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:10 PM
Status: "Pueblo Canon City CSA 208,000. The 134th largest in the USA!" (set 11 days ago)
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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No doubt its large, but if it can't host a SB, how can you say it has everything Miami has?
Saying it has everything Miami has and saying it can hold conventions just as large as Miami can is two different things. Both cities have a large professional football stadium and both cities have many hotel rooms. Miami just happens to have more hotel rooms as their economy is based on tourism more then Jacksonville is just like Orlando has more hotel rooms then Miami because their economy is based on tourism more then Miami.
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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Saying it has everything Miami has and saying it can hold conventions just as large as Miami can is two different things. Both cities have a large professional football stadium and both cities have many hotel rooms. Miami just happens to have more hotel rooms as their economy is based on tourism more then Jacksonville is just like Orlando has more hotel room then Miami because their economy is based on tourism more then Miami.
Either way you type it, Jacksonville is nothing compared to Miami. Jacksonville doesn't have everything Miami does, nor does it have the ability to host conventions and events as large as Miami can.
This shouldn't even be a conversation.
Miami is to Jacksonville as Houston is to Ft. Worth (strictly Ft. Worth)
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:18 PM
Status: "Pueblo Canon City CSA 208,000. The 134th largest in the USA!" (set 11 days ago)
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Either way you type it, Jacksonville is nothing compared to Miami. Jacksonville doesn't have everything Miami does, nor does it have the ability to host conventions and events as large as Miami can.
This shouldn't even be a conversation.
Miami is to Jacksonville as Houston is to Ft. Worth (strictly Ft. Worth)
If you want to look at it that then fine I grant you Miami is a larger then Jacksonville. Then again NYC is a much larger city then Miami yet I would defiantly call Miami a large city just like I would call Jacksonville a large city just like I would call Pueblo a large city. Just not as large as NYC.
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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Ok, I never said it wasn't large. I said it wasn't major. It's not. At least not by my standards.
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:26 PM
Status: "Pueblo Canon City CSA 208,000. The 134th largest in the USA!" (set 11 days ago)
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Ok, I never said it wasn't large. I said it wasn't major. It's not. At least not by my standards.
Interesting way to say it. Is Jacksonville a "major" city. I have a different definition on that then 99.9% of the posters on here and I am ok with that. In my opinion any city in the United States that is over 100,000 people and the principal city of a metro area is not only a large city but a major city and a world class city. Yes I know the accepted definition of a world class city and it does not apply to them but I have been to a lot of cities outside the U.S. like Cuczo or Cape Town and they make any of the cities I talk about, even Pueblo, look like a world class city. At least in my opinion.
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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A city is major to me if it influences an unusually large region (Denver), or if the average American can name something signature about that city, other than sports teams.
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:37 PM
Status: "Pueblo Canon City CSA 208,000. The 134th largest in the USA!" (set 11 days ago)
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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A city is major to me if it influences an unusually large region (Denver), or if the average American can name something signature about that city, other than sports teams.
Denver has its region but in Colorado so does Colorado Springs and Pueblo. Actually Pueblo has a larger region then Colorado Springs simply because of location.

Look at this map and every "major" city on their has a region. The size of the region depends on how isolated the larger city is. The problem Colorado Springs has is they are located between Denver and Pueblo so they will always have a smaller region.

BEA : Local Area Bearfacts
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:27 PM
 
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When I said Jacksonville, Nashville, etc. are not "big cities," I was not trying to put them down or say they are not "world class." But to me, those cities are mid-sized and don't feel like a "big city." Being a "big city" is about scale. You can argue all day about Jacksonville offering the same amenities as Miami--it just depends on how you define those amenities. Yeah, they both GENERALLY offer restaurants, bars, clubs, concerts, and tall buildings, but they clearly are not the same. Scale matters.

What it comes down to is this: When I'm in the city, does it feel so big that I have a sense of adventure? I could explore New York for years probably. Of course, NY is the epitome of a big city, but other cities offer that feeling as well. Typically, those cities have a metro of over 2 million. Places like Jacksonville, Nashville, etc. feel like mid-sized cities. They're great places and have plenty to do, but I could come close to fully exploring them in a short amount of time. I don't feel overwhelmed by the urban area. The scale just isn't there. That doesn't mean they're not as good as "big cities"--some of my favorite cities are mid-sized.

Whether a city is "world class"/"major" is a different subject.
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:31 PM
 
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When I said Jacksonville, Nashville, etc. are not "big cities," I was not trying to put them down or say they are not "world class." But to me, those cities are mid-sized and don't feel like a "big city." Being a "big city" is about scale. You can argue all day about Jacksonville offering the same amenities as Miami--it just depends on how you define those amenities. Yeah, they both GENERALLY offer restaurants, bars, clubs, concerts, and tall buildings, but they clearly are not the same. Scale matters.

What it comes down to is this: When I'm in the city, does it feel so big that I have a sense of adventure? I could explore New York for years probably. Of course, NY is the epitome of a big city, but other cities offer that feeling as well. Typically, those cities have a metro of over 2 million. Places like Jacksonville, Nashville, etc. feel like mid-sized cities. They're great places and have plenty to do, but I could come close to fully exploring them in a short amount of time. I don't feel overwhelmed by the urban area. The scale just isn't there. That doesn't mean they're not as good as "big cities"--some of my favorite cities are mid-sized.

Whether a city is "world class"/"major" is a different subject.
You can also fully explore Miami in a short amount of time because it is not a huge city like Tokyo, New York City, Sao Paulo, London, or Paris.
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