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Unread 04-18-2009, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Syracuse
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I guess i'll chime in to this argument.

I grew up in Newark and I'm white. I lived in a small Italian american section (very small) and I experienced a lot of cultural diversity since the "Italian section" was an everything section in all reality. The school i went to was over 60% black but it was considered one of the best public schools in Newark at the time ("Arts" was the high school) they said all the smart black parents would try to put there children in that school... The school was very "for the students" we always did plays and had motivational speeches and had many influential clubs for students against drugs and teen preganancy, we even also made strives when major school testings were coming (like that movie that also took place in NJ but in Paterson, Lean On Me) . So it showed that if you actually showed a little care for the poorer communities then you can go far. If you just let the poor crime ridden cities let be then the generations there most likely will end up the same to add on to the society. It has nothing to do with race.
Someone said in earlier posts that no matter how nice of a neighborhood, and no matter how good the schools were, a child can still turn out thuggish and a bad influence. which is 100% true. But they're also a reverse to that, a kid growing up in a bad neighborhood, with bad schools can become a great person. EXAMPLE, I went to a prodomintitely black school with the majority of my friends being black, and now i have a black wife with a half black daughter, BUT i dont act thuggish or do drugs because i experienced so many people on drugs and seen so many people kill eachother over nothing, I knew there was no way I was going to get into that because of the people I hung out wih and the good school i went to. My friends, who wer black, also went far. A lot of students go far after goin to that High School.. (the singer Kat Deluna went there)
but now i'm hearing that school isn't doing to great anymore.. it's a shame
A good example of what you just talked about is in my post about above about an elementary school in Utica, NY by the name of Watson Williams. Check it out.....
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Unread 04-18-2009, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Teaneck, NJ
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A good example of what you just talked about is in my post about above about an elementary school in Utica, NY by the name of Watson Williams. Check it out.....
Yup, i just checked it out
Watson Williams Elementary School, Utica New York / NY school information and ethnic makeup

Best Elementary school in Utica and it's predominately Black.

There's also another school that's very diverse in Jersey City and it's one of the best in the state.. and remember, NJ is very prestigious when it comes to a lot of its schools.
It's not predominately black, there's really no left out group of people. But there's more blacks than whites and Hispanics. (Asians being the most)
Dr Ronald Mc Nair Academy High School - Jersey City, New Jersey/NJ - Public School Profile
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Unread 04-18-2009, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Syracuse
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Yup, i just checked it out
Watson Williams Elementary School, Utica New York / NY school information and ethnic makeup

Best Elementary school in Utica and it's predominately Black.

There's also another school that's very diverse in Jersey City and it's one of the best in the state.. and remember, NJ is very prestigious when it comes to a lot of its schools.
It's not predominately black, there's really no left out group of people. But there's more blacks than whites and Hispanics. (Asians being the most)
Dr Ronald Mc Nair Academy High School - Jersey City, New Jersey/NJ - Public School Profile
Also, Utica is known for it's strong Italian-American community, along with a pretty big refugee population from Bosnia, Vietnam/SE Asia and recently Sudan. So, Watson Williams has some of those groups, along with a decent Hispanic community, mainly from Puerto Rico.

I believe Watson Williams is also the school with the highest percentage of students in poverty, but they still achieve at a high level. Martin Luther King Jr. Elementary School, which is also mostly Black, achieves at a high level as well in spite of having most of it's students in poverty. It's actually in the same part of town as Watson Williams. Student Teacher Ratio Martin Luther King Jr Elementary School - Utica, New York - NY

Test Scores:Martin Luther King Jr Elementary School Test Scores - Utica, New York - NY
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Unread 04-18-2009, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Teaneck, NJ
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Also, Utica is known for it's strong Italian-American community, along with a pretty big refugee population from Bosnia, Vietnam/SE Asia and recently Sudan. So, Watson Williams has some of those groups, along with a decent Hispanic community, mainly from Puerto Rico.

I believe Watson Williams is also the school with the highest percentage of students in poverty, but they still achieve at a high level. Martin Luther King Jr. Elementary School, which is also mostly Black, achieves at a high level as well in spite of having most of it's students in poverty. It's actually in the same part of town as Watson Williams. Student Teacher Ratio Martin Luther King Jr Elementary School - Utica, New York - NY

Test Scores:Martin Luther King Jr Elementary School Test Scores - Utica, New York - NY
Those math scores are Phenomenal

I was never good at math
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Unread 04-18-2009, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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It's not the parents fault, it's their own fault.

We need to learn to stop passing the blame around and take responsibility for our own actions.

The parent may (or may not) contribute to how children are raised, but ultimately it is their choice to do what they want. You can be the best parent in the world, have the best teachers, and live in the nicest neighborhood, but if you have a desire to act thuggishly and what not, then you'll do it, and nothing can change that. It is ultimately the individual's choice.

That being said, it is the parents' teachers' community's job to try to CHANGE and KEEP kids going down that path because ultimately, that is all we can do. We can set the example, live healthy and non-hypocritical lives, show people the right things to do, etc. We can't force someone to act a certain way, because that will most likely bring resentment and rebelliousness.

Once people as a whole figure this out, then we will see more prosperous communities (not just African-American communities, but American communities as a whole).

Anyway, to name some AA communities, I'd agree with posters that stated the DC Area, particularly PGC. Of course it's going to have high crime areas; it's adjacent to Southeast DC, the most crime ridden part of the city. Move further outward, and the outlook changes. Unfortunately, PGC lacks some of the amentities middle to upper class residents are looking for (upscale shopping, upscale restaurants, great schools, etc.). Despite the problems, PGC has a prestigious feel to it, and has some very high income areas.

Metro Atlanta is also noted as having a large middle to upper class black population. Atlanta has the "Black Mecca" hype, but I'm not really sure if it lives up to the hype, as I haven't been through the entire metro area.
Good points but I don't think nobody is blaming the parent. A lack of a father presence or male figure amongst boys in the black community is not placing blame. It's real. It's a huge void missing in their lives and it shows by the lack of direction they choose to go in later on in their teenage years. Many in the hip hop community speaks on this such as Lupe Fiasco in the first verse of ghetto story. Yes, in the end, we must take responsibility of our own actions.
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Unread 04-18-2009, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Sandy Springs, Georgia
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Lithonia, Georgia! It is a haven for middle-class and rich black people. The entire southeastern part of DeKalb County is, for that matter.

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There are plently of safe, middle and upper class black neighborhoods/cities around here. Prince George's County, MD is the largest and wealthiest predominantly black county in America.

Camp Springs, MD (74% black, median income $69,371)
Camp Springs, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cheverly, MD (56% black, median income $65,431)
Cheverly, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Clinton, MD (73% black, median income $71,139)
Clinton, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fort Washington, MD (67% black, median income $81,177)
Fort Washington, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Friendly, MD (77% black, median income $80,214)
Friendly, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
*you might not be able to find Friendly on a map, the whole town uses Fort Washington mailing addresses

Kettering, MD (90% black, median income $78,735)
Kettering, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lake Arbor, MD (88% black, median income $74,599)
Lake Arbor, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lanham-Seabrook, MD (63% black, median income $63,450)
Lanham-Seabrook, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Largo, MD (92% black, median income $58,130)
Largo, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Marlton, MD (55% black, median income $73,844)
Marlton, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mitchellville, MD (78% black, median income $84,687)
Mitchellville, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Springdale, MD (92% black, median income $82,431)
Springdale, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Upper Marlboro, MD (75% black, median income $73,005)
Greater Upper Marlboro, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Woodmore, MD (64% black, median income $97,270)
Woodmore, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Redan, Georgia is higher than all of those except Woodmore.

Redan, Georgia - 91.27% black, median income $91,564
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Unread 04-18-2009, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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It's not the parents fault, it's their own fault.
I disagree with you. It is the parent's fault. If the parent does not shows love to the child, or if the parent is not open with the child. The child will turn to be rebellious. Why? Let me explain.

Let's say the parent does not let the child do what he wants.... Meanining like to go out with his or her friends. So, the child will get angry as the time passes. Then when the child grows he or she wants to go away to another school to be away from their parents. Then, because of the parent actions that the parent did not want for the child to hangout with his friends or anything, the child will start to drink or maybe to use drugs. Why? Because the parent did spend time with the child and did not let the child to go with his/her friend. You must trust your child, and let the child talk to you about sex, drugs, drink about anything. So the child can openly have that trust with you, thereafter he/she can speak to you about anything. Moreover, a good parent is when the parent hangs out with the kid to have a drink or whatever. That is a good parent. If the child is a minor, the parent should let the child drink at home with you, because if you don't, then the child will go to other place and drink with his friends. What do you prefer for the child to drink outside or to drink with you at home? I hope that you prefer for the child to drink at home with you. If not, then do not complain if the child comes to be rebellious.

I have heard of many kids saying oh my GOD, I have this problem, and I do not know whom to talk to. Then I always ask them, why don't you talk with your parents about it? Then they will say, oh my GOD I can't. If my parents knows about this, they will kill me? See what I'm talking about. What counts is the trust and the openesss you have with your child. In this situation, the child may do something stupid. God forbid, but sometimes if its a serious matter, the child commits suicide or something. Which you don't want that to occur am I correct? So, begin to be open with your kids. Also, dedicate time to them. Go out to the movies with them, to the restaurants, park or whatever. But just dedicate time with them. Don't just spend all time at work Talk to them about everything Sex, Girls, Boys everything. So the kid will develop trust with you, and for the kid to not go to somebody else for answers. Please try this, and you will see what a big differance you make in your kid. If when you do this, if you decide to do this, if your child is still the same, you have the right to bash me. However, take a consideration of what I have just said
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Unread 04-19-2009, 12:08 AM
 
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African American communities=dangerous places.
I'm black and from the south. I grew up in a low income neighborhood which the majority was black. I went to a mostly white trailer park and saw the same exact things in my neighborhood. Race isn't the problem ignorance and no job opportunies is Dumb****.
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Unread 04-19-2009, 02:37 PM
 
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I'm black and from the south. I grew up in a low income neighborhood which the majority was black. I went to a mostly white trailer park and saw the same exact things in my neighborhood. Race isn't the problem ignorance and no job opportunies is Dumb****.
Why is that so hard for other people to believe?
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Unread 04-19-2009, 02:44 PM
 
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There are some places in this country where you really have to search to find poor whites. If you grow up in northern New Jersey in upper-income suburban towns and only have Newark and/or Paterson as a reference as a place where black people live, it's easy to jump to the conclusion that blacks ruin a neighborhood or that only blacks have serious social problems. When you travel and see upper-income black areas and poverty-stricken white areas, the ideas you once had are thrown out the window, but until you have that experience, you will probably will go on thinking that black areas equate to bad areas and that white areas equate to good areas. Even many black people do a double take when shown places like Ladera Heights or Lithonia.. they're just not used to seeing black executives pulling up to mansions in BMW's.
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