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You realize my proposal to dissolve Maryland was in jest? That said, I will share some thoughts with you.
Having spent a lot of time in the three cities, I find personally that Baltimore reminds me much more of Norfolk than Philly. You disagree and challenge me to back up my point by post pictures showing the two cities are are not similar, but identical. On top of that I am barred from including pictures of the waterfront developments because they share similarities?
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All are pictures of Norfolk, of course. If I had to look at them and pick either Balto or Philly, I know which I would choose.
Further similarities:
- Each has ports on the Chesapeake which greatly influence their character, economy and recreational focus
- Each city has developed a tourist center at their harbor
- There is lots of bridge and tunnel infrastructure in each metro
- Although not as prevalent, Norfolk does have its share of row homes
- Demographics are somewhat similar:
Norfolk: 47.1% White, 43.1% African American, 6.6% Hispanic, 3.3% Asian
Baltimore: 33.1% White, 63.2% African American, 3% Hispanic, 2% Asian
Doesn't resemble Baltimore to me. Bmore looks a lot like Philly. Both are dense rowhouse cities. Just because Norfolk has a few rowhouses, it is not a rowhouse city like Baltimore and Philly.
You realize my proposal to dissolve Maryland was in jest? That said, I will share some thoughts with you.
Having spent a lot of time in the three cities, I find personally that Baltimore reminds me much more of Norfolk than Philly. You disagree and challenge me to back up my point by post pictures showing the two cities are are not similar, but identical. On top of that I am barred from including pictures of the waterfront developments because they share similarities?
All sizes | Tall Ships Docked at Town Point Park | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/virginiaphotoart/3813271629/sizes/m/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All are pictures of Norfolk, of course. If I had to look at them and pick either Balto or Philly, I know which I would choose.
Further similarities:
- Each has ports on the Chesapeake which greatly influence their character, economy and recreational focus
- Each city has developed a tourist center at their harbor
- There is lots of bridge and tunnel infrastructure in each metro
- Although not as prevalent, Norfolk does have its share of row homes
- Demographics are somewhat similar:
Norfolk: 47.1% White, 43.1% African American, 6.6% Hispanic, 3.3% Asian
Baltimore: 33.1% White, 63.2% African American, 3% Hispanic, 2% Asian
The only thing that looks similar is waterfront. Even then, norfolk is a lot smaller and quieter than Baltimore. The rowhouse pic looks more like DC than Baltimore. The other pics look more like somewhere in England than anywhere in fells point or federal hill. Furthermore, Baltimore demographics changed a lot of the past 50 years due to white flight, and the great migration. Aside from the waterfront, Baltimore is built completely different.
The only thing that looks similar is waterfront. Even then, norfolk is a lot smaller and quieter than Baltimore. The rowhouse pic looks more like DC than Baltimore. The other pics look more like somewhere in England than anywhere in fells point or federal hill. Furthermore, Baltimore demographics changed a lot of the past 50 years due to white flight, and the great migration. Aside from the waterfront, Baltimore is built completely different.
No doubt two people can look at the same facts and pictures and come to different conclusions. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything - just answering your query on how I see the relative similarities between Balto, Norfolk and Philly. Some folks will agree with me, others won't.
No doubt two people can look at the same facts and pictures and come to different conclusions. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything - just answering your query on how I see the relative similarities between Balto, Norfolk and Philly. Some folks will agree with me, others won't.
DC/Maryland/Virginia function much like a tri-state area. The Baltimore-Washington area, including Baltimore, DC, the Maryland suburbs of Baltimore and DC, and northern Virginia are too inter-connected at this point to separate them out all that much.
Last edited by BigCityDreamer; 07-13-2011 at 03:33 PM..
It depends on what part of Maryland. Baltimore City (culturally, economically and demographically speaking) has much in common with Philadelphia. Both Baltimore and Philly are old Mid-Atlantic working class/Blue Collar towns with large Black and White populations. Albeit, Philly is larger and more diverse and has a larger Italian population and Hispanic population, specifically Puerto Rican. Rowhomes in Philly and Baltimore are also similar. Even the Mid-Atlantic accents are similar in both cities. In terms of local urban fashion, both cities are nearly indistinguishable, historically speaking. Tan Timberland boots, long capri shorts in the summer and seeing Avirex type leathers in the Winter are common in Philly and Baltimore. Certain popular retail clothing store chains like Dr. Denim and USA Boutique exist in both Philly and Baltimore and do not exist anywhere else except maybe Atlanta.
The outer fringes of Maryland that border West Virginia undoubtedly have more in common with West Virginia. Carroll County mine as well be in West Virginia. The rural seclusion of places like Oakland, Maryland is no different than many places in WVA.
Diverse integrated quasi-urban suburban areas in Montgomery County with lots of immigrants from all over the world like Silver Spring are very similar to places in Northern Virginia like Arlington and McLean.
The Eastern Shore has a very slow rural deep Southern feel comparable to places in the Carolinas, in my opinion.
Last edited by goldenchild08; 07-14-2011 at 12:12 PM..
It depends on what part of Maryland. Baltimore City (culturally, economically and demographically speaking) has much in common with Philadelphia. Both Baltimore and Philly are old Mid-Atlantic working class towns with large Black and White populations. Albeit, Philly is larger and more diverse and has a larger Italian population Hispanic population, specifically Puerto Rican. Rowhomes in Philly and Baltimore are also similar. Even the Mid-Atlantic accents are similar in both cities. In terms of local urban fashion, both cities are nearly indistinguishable. Tan Timberland boots, long capri shorts in the summer and seeing Avirex type leathers in the Winter are common in Philly and Baltimore. Certain popular retail clothing store chains like Dr. Denim and USA Boutique exist in both Philly and Baltimore and do not exist anywhere else except maybe Atlanta.
The outer fringes of Maryland that border West Virginia undoubtedly have more in common with West Virginia. Carroll County mine as well be in West Virginia. The rural seclusion of places like Oakland, Maryland is no different than many places in WVA.
Diverse integrated areas in Montgomery County like Silver Spring are very similar to places in Northern Virginia like Arlington and McLean.
The Eastern Shore has a very deep Southern feel comparable to places in the Carolinas, in my opinion.
I agree with this. However, I don't agree about Carroll county. Westminster looks like Hanover, PA which is only about 15 miles away, and the rest of CC can pass for rural PA. The eastern shore looks like the Mississippi delta, western MD can be W.VA or PA. There is also the distinct difference in feel between the Baltimore area and the DC area of MD; Laurel is the dividing point in my opinion.
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