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I began typing a civil response to your long post quoting mine above, but after reading this childish attack, I'm done with your antics.
Getting a little testy, are we? Well, here are a few more things to get testy about...
Where did I attack you personally? Show me where..please. I am truly curious as to what I said that was not justified as to in response to your own earlier missive. I certainly never used ad hominim attacks. Are you just not used to having people disagree with you...?
Regardless, we can drag our exchange out for the world to see, far as I am concerned. It was you who started to use such language as "correcting (my) ignorance" and what-not. But whatever, I don't give a damn if you take your tinker toys and go home or not.
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Have a nice day, you guys.
And all y'all's bunch up there do the same, ya heah? And I ain't just whistlin' Dixie!
I like, and use, "y'all" or a general "you". I don't like "you guys" and I know many women who don't like that term either.
When I was growing up I can remember my sisters, girl cousins, and their girlfriends using the term "guys" when referring to each other. They'd say things like "Hurry up, you guys!" or "Are you guys ready yet?" when getting ready to go somewhere together. I even hear it now that they are older.
I also know a few women who only have girl children who will say things such as "Let's go, guys!" to them while getting ready to leave somewhere.
So while there may be some females who don't like the term it isn't all of them, and there are even many who use it amongst themselves.
I myself will use the term when referring to both my nephews and nieces. I'll say things such as "What to do you guys want to eat?" or "What are you guys doing?" whenever I'm watching them.
I've heard and used the term that way for as long as I can remember, and I was born in the eighties. I recently asked my mom how long she remembers the term being used this way and she said even when she was little she can remember using it herself and even hearing it among older people. She was born in the fifties, so it's likely usage of the term in this way (to refer to females) is even older than that.
Regardless of how recent usage of the term in this way is, if it's in the dictionary (and respected dictionaries such as Webster's at that) then in no way is it wrong or innapropriate usage.
"You guys" sounds better to me. "Y'all" sounds like a redneck uneducated person.
That's because the media has fed you such. What is wrong with a contraction of "You all" as "y'all"?
By the way, those who usually talk of educated vs. uneducated are generally minimally educated. They may have a couple years of college, or at most a bachelor's degree. Rarely have they obtained more education that that. It's just a trait, I suppose, kind of like what you surmise above.
I say 'you guys' because that it what I grew up hearing in Chicago and that is just how we role here. However, I really wish English had a proper second person plural. To me 'y'all' sounds funny, just as funny as my friend, from the south says 'you guys' sounds to her.
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