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Old 05-18-2016, 03:37 PM
 
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Maryland and Delaware lean decidedly Northeastern, while Virginia leans decidedly Southern. It makes zero sense to group them together. Virginia, if it is the Mid-Atlantic, is the only state in the Mid-Atlantic that leans decidedly Southern. Geographically I don't agree that it's Mid-Atlantic either. I consider it South Atlantic.
Can you describe Virginia and Maryland's culture?

By responding with something like "you won't be satisfied," you are not giving an answer.
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Old 05-18-2016, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Maryland and Delaware lean decidedly Northeastern, while Virginia leans decidedly Southern. It makes zero sense to group them together. Virginia, if it is the Mid-Atlantic, is the only state in the Mid-Atlantic that leans decidedly Southern. Geographically I don't agree that it's Mid-Atlantic either. I consider it South Atlantic.
Maryland is not "decidely" Northeastern.

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In a debate that dates back to the Civil War, Marylanders are still divided over whether they identify as part of the North or South. The North wins again in a squeaker, with 46% saying they consider Maryland a Northern state to 38% who consider it a Southern state.
Marylanders Want Legislature to Go Further on Minimum Wage; Baltimore Voters Back Proposed $15/Hour Law - Public Policy Polling

"Decidedly," imo," would at the very minimum be a majority if not a supermajority (67%<).
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Old 05-18-2016, 04:03 PM
 
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Maryland is not "decidely" Northeastern.



Marylanders Want Legislature to Go Further on Minimum Wage; Baltimore Voters Back Proposed $15/Hour Law - Public Policy Polling

"Decidedly," imo," would at the very minimum be a majority if not a supermajority (67%<).
As an actual Marylander, I second this. We say that we're "Mid-Atlantic" these days.
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Old 05-18-2016, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Arch City
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Being Southern and Mid-Atlantic are not mutually exclusive definitions, though--one can belong to both regions, as Virginia does. Mid-Atlantic is more of a geographical grouping than a cultural one (unlike New England), so it makes perfect sense to include Virginia (and even parts of North Carolina, as the United States Geological Survey does). Virginia is solidly Southern (even with NOVA), but it is still Mid-Atlantic--a dialect map really has nothing to do with its placement.

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Maryland is not "decidely" Northeastern.



Marylanders Want Legislature to Go Further on Minimum Wage; Baltimore Voters Back Proposed $15/Hour Law - Public Policy Polling

"Decidedly," imo," would at the very minimum be a majority if not a supermajority (67%<).
What does minimum wage have to do with anything? That is COMPLETELY irrelevant. And Marylanders decidedly favored Northern over Southern, so that's decisive. I know how you think Maryland is Southern but the truth is its not.
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Old 05-18-2016, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Arch City
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As an actual Marylander, I second this. We say that we're "Mid-Atlantic" these days.
You have no conception of the way your own state leans. Midatlantic includes all of the lower northeast, Maryland being decidedly Northeastern specifically like Pennsylvania and Southern New Jersey culturally and linguistically.
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Old 05-18-2016, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Arch City
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Can you describe Virginia and Maryland's culture?

By responding with something like "you won't be satisfied," you are not giving an answer.
Don't like my answer? Your problem not mine. Anyone with half a brain could tell most of Maryland is nothing like Virginia culturally. It's so obvious.
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Old 05-18-2016, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Arch City
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Yeah, I agree. It's just not a very homogeneous region, even dating back to colonial times. NYC, New England, and Southeast PA have formed separate cultural centers within the greater Northeast since very early on, so I think it makes perfect sense to recognize the Mid-Atlantic and New England as distinct cultural sub-regions within the Northeast.
No region is homogenous.
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Old 05-18-2016, 06:39 PM
 
Location: PG County, MD
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No region is homogenous.
Obviously not.
All i'm doing is justifying the use of "Mid-Atlantic" as a cultural definition. I think there is a distinct cultural region which could be called Mid-Atlantic which is centered on Southeast PA. I see the 'core' of this being the Delaware Valley and the Maryland and Pennsylvania piedmonts.
I'm not making any claims that this region should not be included in the Northeast, or that other regions of the country are homogenous while the Northeast is not.
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Old 05-19-2016, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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No, it appears to be close to the middle to in the Southern half.
Nope, the half way point from the northern Maine coast to the southern tip of Florida would be the border of Virginia and NC, with Virginia on the northern side.
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Old 05-19-2016, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Why shouldn't we use it as a cultural definition though? The "Lower Northeast" and "Upper Northeast" seem to be lumped together out of convenience or politics, but are quite different, I don't see how states like MD and DE have much of anything to do with New England. It makes sense to me to have the Mid-Atlantic, and New England as two cultural regions. Then NY is whatever, I don't know where it fits.
Because unlike New England, the cultural connections in the Mid-Atlantic are superseded by more regional identities. Boston, Mass can name teams the "New England Patriots" and "New England Revolution" and get away with it, because that whole region has a much stronger shared cultural identity. Sure, there are some differences within (NH as more conservative, Vermont as very liberal/independent, etc.), but that whole region unites under the New England banner--quaint towns, funny accents, clam chowder, the whole bit.

Contrast this with the Mid-Atlantic. Very few people from the no-name suburbs and exurbs of New York City and Philadelphia will say they are from the Mid-Atlantic when far from home. Same thing with Baltimore and DC, to a lesser degree. There's no major, professional sports team uniting the region (much less two), as all of the major metropolitan areas are quite culturally distinct from one another. The only thing culturally "Mid-Atlantic" about the Mid-Atlantic is the fact that businesses use the name--that's about it. Yay, there's a Mid-Atlantic Sports Network in Baltimore/DC that broadcasts out to Delaware. There's a go-karting place near me that goes by "Mid-Atlantic" Grand Prix. Whoopty do.

Sure, there are shared cultural similarities between the metro areas, in terms of cuisine (crabs, scrapple, etc), accent and demographics. But even those are way less homogeneous when compared to New England, and again, there's really no shared "Mid-Atlantic" banner that unites the region. If I'm in the middle of Texas, and I have to tell people where I'm from, I'll tell them, in order: a) Wilmington, Delaware b) near Philadelphia c) the Northeast d) the East Coast. No way I'd say Mid-Atlantic, as we don't even say that around here. It's simply not a strong cultural identity, which is why it is much more of a geographical designation.

The Mid-Atlantic is simply too weakly "united" to be thought of primarily as a cultural designation, which is why I have no problems with Virginia and even North Carolina being part of it, despite their clearly Southern culture. It's essentially a geographic designation, with some cultural similarities dispersed throughout. Contrast this with New England, which is equal parts a geographic AND cultural region. The fact that you don't even know where to place New York just confirms my point.

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