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Old 03-15-2017, 01:37 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Well for one, even within the "textbook definition" itself there is too much ambiguity, and clearly a better explanation could be made. Secondly as myself and many others have stated, whatever was a snapshot over 100 years ago has closer very little and almost nothing to do with 2017.

The textbook definition (via Wiki) states the region is "between New England and the South Atlantic" yet in the next sentence clearly adds states that are in the Census "South Atlantic" to the mid-Atlantic.

"The Mid-Atlantic, also called Middle Atlantic states or the Mid-Atlantic states, form a region of the United States generally located between New England and the South Atlantic States. Its exact definition differs upon source, but the region often includes New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Washington, D.C., Virginia, and West Virginia. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_states
It is confusing but basically former southern states like Maryland and southern states like Virginia have been increasingly seen as the Mid-Atlantic. Some people are spreading Mid-Atlantic down into the Carolinas, eventually everything north of Florida will be Mid-Atlantic! Just a guess, but as outsiders have been moving into those states, there is such a negativity toward the South by some people that they been casting about for some other name, eventually settling on Mid-Atlantic, especially in Maryland. Its not just Mid-Atlantic that has been changing, even the definition of Northeast has been changing, for instance increasingly including Maryland and sometimes even West Virginia & Virginia.

I have even seen people use Mid-Atlantic incorrectly like it was one of the main regions of the United States (West, Midwest, Northeast and South). The Mid-Atlantic is NOT one of the main regions of the USA, it is one of the subdivisions of the main regions.
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Old 03-15-2017, 02:42 PM
 
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Mid-Atlantic= Phiily(metro), Jersey, and NYC(metro)

Bmore, and DC are upper south.
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Old 03-15-2017, 03:02 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Yea, I agree that Baltimore is southern. The south has the been on fire for over a decade, and it doesn't appear to be slowing down, and now Baltimore is getting in on the wave. The Northeast just doesn't have the feel that it once did, and a little less impressive.
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Old 03-15-2017, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Jersey City
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Some people are spreading Mid-Atlantic down into the Carolinas
Only Sean Spicer.

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I have even seen people use Mid-Atlantic incorrectly like it was one of the main regions of the United States (West, Midwest, Northeast and South). The Mid-Atlantic is NOT one of the main regions of the USA, it is one of the subdivisions of the main regions.
Agree. Mid-Atlantic is a subdivision of the Northeast.
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Old 03-15-2017, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Downtown Los Angeles
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Mid-Atlantic= Phiily(metro), Jersey, and NYC(metro)

Bmore, and DC are upper south.
No. You could even argue that Raleigh is Mid Atlantic and therefore northeastern. The absolute furthest north the south might extend is Richmond, but that's it!
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Old 03-15-2017, 06:02 PM
 
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To me the Mid-Atlantic states, especially today are. NEW YORK, PENNSYLVNIA. NEW JERSEY, DELAWARE AND MARYLAND.

Some may disagree with New York state and especially Delaware? But New York is really not New England and Maryland as one Big DC suburb and Baltimore suburbs. Has the Appalachian part of Maryland, as not great. African-Americans of Baltimore and DC. Might have the biggest southern linkage?

But I clearly see Maryland is more likened to being a Northern state today...
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Old 03-15-2017, 06:26 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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To me the Mid-Atlantic states, especially today are. NEW YORK, PENNSYLVNIA. NEW JERSEY, DELAWARE AND MARYLAND.

Some may disagree with New York state and especially Delaware? But New York is really not New England and Maryland as one Big DC suburb and Baltimore suburbs. Has the Appalachian part of Maryland, as not great. African-Americans of Baltimore and DC. Might have the biggest southern linkage?

But I clearly see Maryland is more likened to being a Northern state today...
Maryland needs to be in the south. It adds to the diversity of the south as you have urban cities like Baltimore to Tropical Destinations like Miami, Key West. The south runs the gamut of extremes.
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:44 PM
 
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Maryland needs to be in the south. It adds to the diversity of the south as you have urban cities like Baltimore to Tropical Destinations like Miami, Key West. The south runs the gamut of extremes.
But it doesn't represent the culture or history at all. That's why most people will call Maryland northern and Virginia southern.

To me, the Mid-Atlantic is really a geographical region, not a cultural one.
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Old 03-15-2017, 08:02 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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But it doesn't represent the culture or history at all. That's why most people will call Maryland northern and Virginia southern.

To me, the Mid-Atlantic is really a geographical region, not a cultural one.
Most people would say that MD does represent the south historically; however, culturally, it may be a little different compared to other southern states, but is nothing like northern states. That speaks to the diversity of the south, though.
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Old 03-15-2017, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Maryland needs to be in the south. It adds to the diversity of the south as you have urban cities like Baltimore to Tropical Destinations like Miami, Key West. The south runs the gamut of extremes.
That... that's misguided.

By that logic any state should be southern.

Maryland and Delaware are not southern. Louisiana is southern South Carolina is southern. Tennessee is southern. Texas is southern. Not Maryland or Delaware.

Which of these two states is Maryland more like, Georgia or NY?

Which of these two cities is Baltimore more connected to, NYC or Raleigh?

Why should the south be defined loosely when all other regions have to be defined so tightly?
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