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Old 04-04-2018, 02:05 PM
 
Location: The City
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maybe I should change my name on here to residentMA
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Old 04-04-2018, 02:06 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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This is a circular argument that will never end, so there is no use in debating you....you all come up with the same tired arguments time and time again, because youíre embarrassed to be affiliated with the south.

Maryland and DC have ALWAYS been technically SOUTHERN. Here is the link to the Census, the Federal agency that provides official US demographic statistics.

https://www2.census.gov/geo/docs/map...ps/reg_div.txt

Tell me where in the Northeast you will find a county like PG County??? Go to the eastern shore, southern Maryland, western maryland, and tell me thatís not southern. Point to blue collar white/rural areas in Maryland that are traditionally/historically democratic voting blocks (not including last election) like you can find in Pennsylvania, New York, and New Jersey. Where are your Italians, Puerto Ricans, Polish, etc? What makes Maryland/DC Northeastern? Wealthy and democratic (due to a large black population)? Many states can claim that. Mid Atlantic isnít an official region. If you consider the census definition, you all arenít that either.

I grew up in Maryland, and it is southern light imo. Although thatís not a technical term, so I understand why it bothers you so much??
I agree.

I don't know why it bothers people to be part of the largest, fastest growing, geographically diverse region of the country.

The reasoning behind that escapes me.
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Old 04-04-2018, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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PA and NJ are not Mid Atlantic?


Man I was totally misinformed in School and basically by existence my whole life


who'd have thunk it
Exactly. PA and NJ are definitely Mid Atlantic in my book, and are in the official Census definition of the “Mid Atlantic” Division of the “Northeast” Region (which ironically, MD is not). It makes it strange about how adamant he was that Maryland is either Mid Atlantic or Northeast.

Now I do agree, that most (myself included) technically consider MD Mid Atlantic, but PA and NJ are part of the region as well. And if I had to classify MD into one of the four official census regions, I would use its official definition of the South (the reason I jokingly referred to it a “Southern Light,” to which he took offense).
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Old 04-04-2018, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Maryland and DC are not "Southern light" at all. They are either Northeastern or Mid-Atlantic pick and choose, there is no other definition for them. Raleigh-Durham is "southern lite", Maryland and DC are light years ahead in that regard. Virginia is a different story.

The mid-Atlantic is the MD-DC-DE/Chesepake Bay/ Susquehanna River epicenter, which includes much of VA too. Anything else being discussed as mid-Atlantic is a stretch.
Boy, are you in denial big time hahahahaha....

Nobody is saying Maryland is Mississippi, but it's definitely got a light southern air---yes, still, in 2018; there are some pretty large, noticeable, obvious differences between Maryland and the Northeast areas that don't border it in the immediate one-to-two hour radius. Obviously it shares traits of bordering northern states, but why does any mention of Maryland's southern tendencies drive you so mad?

Even Mutiny has mentioned before, most Marylanders, even if they don't consider themselves southerners first or in the contemporary sense, most Marylanders don't get up in arms when the topic comes up, the way some of you Marylanders on city data get...
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Old 04-04-2018, 03:40 PM
 
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Maryland and DC are not "Southern light" at all. They are either Northeastern or Mid-Atlantic pick and choose, there is no other definition for them. Raleigh-Durham is "southern lite", Maryland and DC are light years ahead in that regard. Virginia is a different story.

The mid-Atlantic is the MD-DC-DE/Chesepake Bay/ Susquehanna River epicenter, which includes much of VA too. Anything else being discussed as mid-Atlantic is a stretch.
Maryland is a pretty diverse state and yes, there are definitely parts where it can accurately be described as "Southern lite" (Delaware as well). Even though that's not the first term I'd use to describe DC and Baltimore themselves, I'm not opposed to it and certainly understand the implications.

Raleigh-Durham is New South, but I wouldn't say "Southern lite."
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Old 04-04-2018, 03:44 PM
 
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Boy, are you in denial big time hahahahaha....

Nobody is saying Maryland is Mississippi, but it's definitely got a light southern air---yes, still, in 2018; there are some pretty large, noticeable, obvious differences between Maryland and the Northeast areas that don't border it in the immediate one-to-two hour radius. Obviously it shares traits of bordering northern states, but why does any mention of Maryland's southern tendencies drive you so mad?

Even Mutiny has mentioned before, most Marylanders, even if they don't consider themselves southerners first or in the contemporary sense, most Marylanders don't get up in arms when the topic comes up, the way some of you Marylanders on city data get...
Not at all. They acknowledge it in an official, technical sense and certainly don't feel offended by it.
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Old 04-04-2018, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Maryland is a pretty diverse state and yes, there are definitely parts where it can accurately be described as "Southern lite" (Delaware as well). Even though that's not the first term I'd use to describe DC and Baltimore themselves, I'm not opposed to it and certainly understand the implications.

Raleigh-Durham is New South, but I wouldn't say "Southern lite."
"Southern" is not the first word of associate with DC or Baltimore, either. DC is a cosmopolitan metropolis that stands out from what is thought of as southern today, though I think at the very least people can look at the weather, fauna and ecology, development style/architecture (how DC and Richmond rows are typically different from Baltimore and Philly rows), and characteristics within certain demographics within The District proper, and easily make a case that at least at its core, DC has southern "undertones" (a word people love using here lol)...

Baltimore has a more uniformly Northeast build but not exclusively so, and one can also point out characteristics within its population as well...

I just think it's odd how people have this strange desire to be one or the other; particularly, DC'ers online here with the strongest of desires to distance themselves from the South...

And I agree, The Triangle is not "light" South anything. There is no question about it's identity and one of the biggest lies perpetuated on this board is the myth that, that area is anything but southern...
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Old 04-04-2018, 04:43 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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For the people who a pulling for the Maryland to be Northeastern so fervently, how do they view the rest of the south?
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Old 04-04-2018, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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For the people who a pulling for the Maryland to be Northeastern so fervently, how do they view the rest of the south?
As further south than Maryland, I assume.
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Old 04-04-2018, 08:17 PM
 
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"Southern" is not the first word of associate with DC or Baltimore, either. DC is a cosmopolitan metropolis that stands out from what is thought of as southern today, though I think at the very least people can look at the weather, fauna and ecology, development style/architecture (how DC and Richmond rows are typically different from Baltimore and Philly rows), and characteristics within certain demographics within The District proper, and easily make a case that at least at its core, DC has southern "undertones" (a word people love using here lol)...

Baltimore has a more uniformly Northeast build but not exclusively so, and one can also point out characteristics within its population as well...

I just think it's odd how people have this strange desire to be one or the other; particularly, DC'ers online here with the strongest of desires to distance themselves from the South...
Yep. I can understand how first-time or infrequent visitors from the Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, etc. would automatically classify DC/Baltimore as Northern, just by the density and all the rowhouses alone. But when you've spent a fair amount of time in the region and are reasonably observant, you start picking up on things that make it evident that there's more "South" to the region than may initially meet the eye. It really and truly is a South-meets-North region in so many respects. Just look at the White House: it's just a huge Southern plantation mansion LOL.
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