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View Poll Results: What states make up the north?
Maine 183 91.96%
New Hampshire 182 91.46%
Vermont 183 91.96%
Massachusetts 179 89.95%
Rhode Island 179 89.95%
Connecticut 179 89.95%
New York 182 91.46%
Pennsylvania 170 85.43%
New Jersey 171 85.93%
Maryland 100 50.25%
Delaware 106 53.27%
West Virginia (even if just in part, specify in comment) 42 21.11%
Ohio 129 64.82%
Indiana 115 57.79%
Michigan 152 76.38%
Illinois 127 63.82%
Wisconsin 150 75.38%
Minnesota 152 76.38%
Iowa 115 57.79%
Missouri 51 25.63%
North Dakota 130 65.33%
South Dakota 122 61.31%
Nebraska 82 41.21%
Kansas 47 23.62%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 199. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-09-2011, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Glendale, CA
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Here's what I think, if we have to classify entire states:


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Old 11-09-2011, 08:32 PM
 
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Here's what I think, if we have to classify entire states:


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No Way In Hell Maryland a Northern State....

The Map is 100% BS.......
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Old 11-09-2011, 08:50 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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I live in South Dakota. It gets really frickin COLD here. It's northern.
I think the question is meaning culturally or historically, not so much geographically. Much or most of Montana gets quite cold, but I think it's often/generally placed as "The West."

It's interesting Maryland is getting like twice the votes Kansas is. Geographically Maryland is not further North than Kansas so far as I know. Culturally Kansas does look to be more Southern Baptist than Maryland, but for Baptists in general they look about the same.

http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_sbc.html
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_bap.html
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/re.../explorer.html

George Wallace did somewhat better in Maryland than he did in Kansas, although just 4% better. Thurmond did lousy in Maryland, but did get 2,476 write in votes. Not sure Thurmond got much of any Kansas votes. Maryland was a slave state that apparently sent thousands to fight for the Confederacy, including General George H. Steuart. Although unlike Delaware it did vote for Lincoln once. Also it looks to have varied from the old "Solid South" staunch Democratic voting-pattern starting in 1896.

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESUL...&off=0&elect=0
http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESUL...&off=0&elect=0
http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESUL...1860&off=0&f=1
http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESUL...1864&off=0&f=1
http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESUL...t=0&type=state
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8...teuart&f=false

So maybe it's mixed. Still Maryland might have some of "Southern Appalachia" (Allegany, Garrett, and to a lesser extent Washington counties) where Kansas certainly doesn't. Although looking them up maybe they relate more to the Pennsylvanian Appalachia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nties#Maryland

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Old 11-09-2011, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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It was always my understanding that the Midwest and the Northeast together made the north itself. Same as how the upper and deep souths are different, but make up the south.

I can see how most of the Midwest can identify alone. But consider that great lakes culture goes far into NY, and Ohio and Michigan are similar to the northeast sans New England. And of course Chicago land is very similar to the northeast.

I live in Michigan and I disagree. The northeast is very very different from Detroit and Chicago. Everything is different, the accents and the lifestyle. The northeast is fast paced, more urban and more socially liberal. Michigan and Illinois are much slower paced, much more rural and socially conservative. Chicago is a big city, but it is not like the northeast. You can drive 45 minutes out of Chicago and Detroit both and be in cornfields, drive on roads filled with pickup trucks. That is not really true in many places in the northeast. Maine and upper New England are very rural, but even there the people are just very different. Midwestern states and Northeastern states have little in common. The only midwestern state where northeastern culture has some influence is Ohio, and the far eastern side of Ohio at that.
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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I live in Michigan and I disagree. The northeast is very very different from Detroit and Chicago. Everything is different, the accents and the lifestyle. The northeast is fast paced, more urban and more socially liberal. Michigan and Illinois are much slower paced, much more rural and socially conservative. Chicago is a big city, but it is not like the northeast. You can drive 45 minutes out of Chicago and Detroit both and be in cornfields, drive on roads filled with pickup trucks. That is not really true in many places in the northeast. Maine and upper New England are very rural, but even there the people are just very different. Midwestern states and Northeastern states have little in common. The only midwestern state where northeastern culture has some influence is Ohio, and the far eastern side of Ohio at that.
Have you actually been to the northeast? If you have, then obviously you didn't notice that the majority of the region is rural, Appalachian and wilderness.
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Here's what I think, if we have to classify entire states:


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Fair map I say.
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:43 PM
 
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I live in South Dakota. It gets really frickin COLD here. It's northern.

North and South Dakota are western states at heart.
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:48 PM
 
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Out of the lower 48 Maine is not the farthest north, although it may apper that way on a map, Minnesota is actually the farthest north because of that little chunk at top
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Old 11-09-2011, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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No Way In Hell Maryland a Northern State....

The Map is 100% BS.......
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Old 11-09-2011, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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I think the question is meaning culturally or historically, not so much geographically. Much or most of Montana gets quite cold, but I think it's often/generally placed as "The West."

It's interesting Maryland is getting like twice the votes Kansas is. Geographically Maryland is not further North than Kansas so far as I know. Culturally Kansas does look to be more Southern Baptist than Maryland, but for Baptists in general they look about the same.

Southern Baptist Convention statistics
Largest Communities: Baptists
Electoral Explorer - Election Results 2008 - The New York Times

George Wallace did somewhat better in Maryland than he did in Kansas, although just 4% better. Thurmond did lousy in Maryland, but did get 2,476 write in votes. Not sure Thurmond got much of any Kansas votes. Maryland was a slave state that apparently sent thousands to fight for the Confederacy, including General George H. Steuart. Although unlike Delaware it did vote for Lincoln once. Also it looks to have varied from the old "Solid South" staunch Democratic voting-pattern starting in 1896.

1968 Presidential Election Statistics
1948 Presidential General Election Results - Maryland
1860 Presidential General Election Results
1864 Presidential General Election Results
Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections - Compare Data
The Maryland line in the Confederate ... - Google Books

So maybe it's mixed. Still Maryland might have some of "Southern Appalachia" (Allegany, Garrett, and to a lesser extent Washington counties) where Kansas certainly doesn't. Although looking them up maybe they relate more to the Pennsylvanian Appalachia.

List of Appalachian Regional Commission counties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I think Southern Baptists in any state on this list need to be regarded as a Southern influence...together, when measured up against other factors, that's all they measure up to be.
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