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View Poll Results: What states make up the north?
Maine 180 91.84%
New Hampshire 179 91.33%
Vermont 180 91.84%
Massachusetts 176 89.80%
Rhode Island 176 89.80%
Connecticut 176 89.80%
New York 179 91.33%
Pennsylvania 168 85.71%
New Jersey 169 86.22%
Maryland 99 50.51%
Delaware 105 53.57%
West Virginia (even if just in part, specify in comment) 42 21.43%
Ohio 128 65.31%
Indiana 114 58.16%
Michigan 150 76.53%
Illinois 126 64.29%
Wisconsin 148 75.51%
Minnesota 149 76.02%
Iowa 114 58.16%
Missouri 50 25.51%
North Dakota 127 64.80%
South Dakota 120 61.22%
Nebraska 81 41.33%
Kansas 46 23.47%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 196. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-11-2011, 12:49 AM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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What i'm pointing out is that in the South, you don't find enough differences between Texas and Virginia to say they can't be classified as part of the same region. Whereas with Michigan and Massachusetts, the difference is such that they just don't feel alike. the Northeast and Midwest dialects are VERY different...you can't even come close to saying there are common pronunciations there. In the South, there generally are. "Y'all", pronuncing I as "ah", etc. Now I know you have the Deep South accent, the Tidewater accent, mountain dialect, etc...but they just aren't night and day different to the same degree. Politically, culturally, and in terms of speech patterns, the Midwest has a very distinct identity from the Northeast. Truth-be-told, all of the cities in New York along the Great Lakes, as well as Erie, Pennsylvania and Pittsburgh, actually may have more in common with the Midwest Great Lakes cities than with the Bos-Wash corridor.
Oh I suppose, but to be honest before I came here I saw Texas as being almost as "Western/Southwestern" as Southern, or maybe moreso. I mean El Paso or Laredo, in image at least, strike me as more "Southwestern" towns than Southern towns. In those two the majority of the population is Mexican, which is still unlike most "Southern" cities even if the Mexican population of the South is growing.

I think I was also reacting to a tendency to notice the differences in Northern states while treating the South in fairly monolithic terms. The South does have variety. The accent in Charleston I think is traditionally quite different than that of Lubbock or even Memphis. The rural parts of the "Mountain South" are maybe as different from the Gulf Coast as the Midwest is to the Mid-Atlantic. Or at least it's not a totally ridiculous thing to say that. I could see a person Mt. Airy, North Carolina finding New Orleans at least almost as much of an adjustment as a guy from Latrobe, Pennsylvania would find Chicago.
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:20 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Default States part of the North

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Who votes against Maine to be the North, and if so, is any state northern?
It is bizarre and there are actually quite a few strange votes at this point:

VERMONT has one more vote than New York, New Hampshire and Maine (!), even though New York is equally north, New Hampshire slighty more north and Maine much further north.

MASSACHUSETTS has one less vote than Connecticut and Rhode Island even though Massachusetts sits directly north of these two states!

NEW JERSEY has one less vote than Pennsylvania even though New Jersey lies directly east of her neighbor.

Even better, INDIANA has two less votes than Illinois and Ohio, even though Indiana lies between these two fair states.

MICHIGAN has one more vote than Wisconsin and Minnesota, even though Wisconsin is directly west of Michigan and Minnesota is further north.

MISSOURI has only one more vote than West Virginia even though Missouri is widely regarded as part of the Midwest while West Virginia is widely regarded as part of the South!

This is the best, SOUTH DAKOTA has 3 less votes than North Dakota even though South Dakota is further north than many of the other states on the poll. I suppose it is the South in South Dakota that makes it a southern state?
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Old 11-11-2011, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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When I think of the cultural "North," I think of most of the northeastern states down to about Maryland, and most of the states bordering the Great Lakes + probably Iowa. But if I think of what states are simply just "northern," that's a harder question to answer and probably depends on your tolerance for cold in the winter and heat in the summer.
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Old 11-11-2011, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I checked all the states on your list. They are all NORTHERN states. IMO, Virginia and Ky are southern states..
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Old 11-11-2011, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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I chose all of them besides Missouri and West Virginia.
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Old 11-11-2011, 01:12 PM
 
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Despit being directly north of Rhode Island and Conneticut, Massachusetts is now 2 votes behind them?
What the Hell?
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Old 11-11-2011, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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How does Ohio have 37, Indiana have 35, Illinois have 37 but Michigan have 48? Am I missing something? And why in the world does Pennsylvania not have as many votes as New York, Connecticut, and Massachusetts.
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Old 11-11-2011, 01:25 PM
 
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How does Ohio have 37, Indiana have 35, Illinois have 37 but Michigan have 48? Am I missing something? And why in the world does Pennsylvania not have as many votes as New York, Connecticut, and Massachusetts.
Well according to my Trusty map, Pennsylvania is SOUTH of all of those states, and MA has 51 votes, CT and NY have 53.
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Old 11-11-2011, 02:16 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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How does Ohio have 37, Indiana have 35, Illinois have 37 but Michigan have 48? Am I missing something?
Can you read a map? Michigan is further North than Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois. In fact OH and IN are Michigan's southern border.
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Old 11-11-2011, 02:31 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Well according to my Trusty map, Pennsylvania is SOUTH of all of those states, and MA has 51 votes, CT and NY have 53.
Well if you want to get technical CT and PA have almost the same exact Northern Border for latitude (with PA's furthest Northern point actually slightly further north than CT's,) PA just has a LOT more extend further South.
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