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View Poll Results: What states make up the north?
Maine 183 91.96%
New Hampshire 182 91.46%
Vermont 183 91.96%
Massachusetts 179 89.95%
Rhode Island 179 89.95%
Connecticut 179 89.95%
New York 182 91.46%
Pennsylvania 170 85.43%
New Jersey 171 85.93%
Maryland 100 50.25%
Delaware 106 53.27%
West Virginia (even if just in part, specify in comment) 42 21.11%
Ohio 129 64.82%
Indiana 115 57.79%
Michigan 152 76.38%
Illinois 127 63.82%
Wisconsin 150 75.38%
Minnesota 152 76.38%
Iowa 115 57.79%
Missouri 51 25.63%
North Dakota 130 65.33%
South Dakota 122 61.31%
Nebraska 82 41.21%
Kansas 47 23.62%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 199. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-11-2011, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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Only on city-data could geography give way to such fierce debate. The fact the several of the northernmost states in our country have not garnered 100% is patently absurd.
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Old 11-11-2011, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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Well according to my Trusty map, Pennsylvania is SOUTH of all of those states, and MA has 51 votes, CT and NY have 53.
Regardless of it's location relative to New England and New York, Pennsylvania is still a solidly northern state.

For crying out loud, its surveyed southern border arguably created the whole concept of "North" and "South" in this country.
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Old 11-11-2011, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Ohio, USA
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I voted Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Nebraska.

I didn't vote Delaware, Maryland, West Virginia, Missouri, and Kansas because those were a mix between Northern and Southern.

The only part of West Virginia that's really Northern is the northern panhandle, but that's nowhere near enough of the state so I didn't vote it.
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Old 11-12-2011, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Can you read a map? Michigan is further North than Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois. In fact OH and IN are Michigan's southern border.
Yeah I can read a map and that wasnt the point of my post since you want to get all smart. Also, does not parts of Chicago and Northern Illinois extend a little bit farther north than Michigans southern border? Ohio too? My point had more to do with culture than just simple geography just to let you know.

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Old 11-12-2011, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Regardless of it's location relative to New England and New York, Pennsylvania is still a solidly northern state.

For crying out loud, its surveyed southern border arguably created the whole concept of "North" and "South" in this country.
Exactly. That's why I asked my question. Pennsylvania is solidly culturally and geographically Northern. What else is it if its not?
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Old 11-12-2011, 02:23 AM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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Who votes against Maine to be the North, and if so, is any state northern?
I may have mentioned this, but I think one guy voted for Maryland but not New Hampshire. I think some people might have either skipped one by accident or even picked things a bit randomly. I don't know if it's a sign of stupidity so much as laziness or maybe even humor.
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Old 11-12-2011, 03:56 AM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Many people here seem to be forgetting that I did not ask about what states are geographically farther north. Looking at a map will settle that curiosity just fine.

I asked what makes "the north" as opposed to "the south" and "the west".

It is clear by the voting patterns that this point is not getting through to everybody.
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Old 11-12-2011, 04:06 AM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Exactly. That's why I asked my question. Pennsylvania is solidly culturally and geographically Northern. What else is it if its not?
Some people probably get caught up on James Carville's nearly 20-year-old "Philadelphia/Pittsburgh/Alabama" quip, while forgetting that he was simply analyzing voting patterns, not cultural patterns. So then idiots assume that central Pennsylvania is like a slice of Old Dixie plunked down in the Northeast when it's not. If voting patterns necessarily reflected cultural patterns, then Ocean County, NJ must be just like Arkansas since John McCain won 59% of the vote in each in 2008.

Anyway, I voted for every state on the list, and all except Maryland, Missouri and West Virginia are entirely Northern. In Maryland, the divide is roughly a line from Washington DC to Salisbury to Ocean City. In West Virginia, the divide is roughly a line from Huntington to Sutton to Elkins. In Missouri, the divide is roughly a line from Joplin to Rolla to Cape Giraredeau.
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Old 11-12-2011, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL SouthWest Suburbs
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It was always my understanding that the Midwest and the Northeast together made the north itself. Same as how the upper and deep souths are different, but make up the south.

I can see how most of the Midwest can identify alone. But consider that great lakes culture goes far into NY, and Ohio and Michigan are similar to the northeast sans New England. And of course Chicago land is very similar to the northeast.
Another note the Midwest can be broken down to the Great Lakes States.
Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana.
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Another note the Midwest can be broken down to the Great Lakes States.
Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana.
I wouldn't call Pennsylvania a Midwestern state.
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