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I clicked on all of them down to West Virginia. I feel the Northern part of the state has far more in common with Pennsylvania than it does Kentucky. That said, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan and the rest I look at as Midwestern States. They maybe North of the South, but it's culturally different than the Northeast. You can make an argument that Northeast=North.
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I clicked on all of them down to West Virginia. I feel the Northern part of the state has far more in common with Pennsylvania than it does Kentucky. That said, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan and the rest I look at as Midwestern States. They maybe North of the South, but it's culturally different than the Northeast. You can make an argument that Northeast=North.
It was always my understanding that the Midwest and the Northeast together made the north itself. Same as how the upper and deep souths are different, but make up the south.
I can see how most of the Midwest can identify alone. But consider that great lakes culture goes far into NY, and Ohio and Michigan are similar to the northeast sans New England. And of course Chicago land is very similar to the northeast.
I was tempted to vote for about all of them (except West Virginia, Delaware, Maryland, and maybe Missouri) but I decided not to include those I figured were West of the Mississippi. I probably shouldn't have included Minnesota.
Although in some way I suppose all the "Lincoln states" should count, meaning those that went for Lincoln in 1860, but that would mean counting Oregon and California while not counting New Jersey. I think I was probably thinking more "East of the Mississippi, but not effected by Loving v Virginia" as I was thinking some were wanted to be seen as "too Midwest." So Delaware, Maryland, Missouri, and West Virginia would be out and some of the Midwest in.
Granted most aren't thinking this way, but the question was "North" not "Northeast." Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio look to have been US territories from the Revolution and states by the 1820s. (Ignoring weird paperwork issue for Ohio) Granted "Northwest territories" but still an original part of the North. And the others I picked were non-slave states that fought for the North in the Civil War.
I guess I could see some, like the Dakotas, as being "too Western" to be "North." They weren't states during the Civil War, etc. Kansas would be a "gray area" there, maybe, as it joined the Union during the Civil War and did vote for Lincoln in 1864.
Also as we were allowed to divide West Virginia into parts I think places like Wheeling are, probably, more historically North. Or maybe mixed.
How are th Dakodas not Northern, the question is which states are northern not Mortheastern
Well hell, why not include Montana, Wyoming, Washington, Oregon, Utah, and Idaho. In return, call Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and Southern California as Southern. Everything is not that as black and white.
I see a lot of "what states are southern" threads. This is the opposite, what states make up the north to you?
Obviously I did not include states in the poll that I feel are solidly or in majority Southern or Western.
If you consider Kentucky or Virginia northern, simply say so in a comment. I personally feel they are part of the south.
Note: This is multiple choice.
I seem them as all Northern except West Virginia.
Northeast + Midwest = The North
I realize some people consider Maryland or maybe Missouri to be Southern (or even both Northern and Southern) but I am going by the more modern common definition these days.
It was always my understanding that the Midwest and the Northeast together made the north itself. Same as how the upper and deep souths are different, but make up the south.
I can see how most of the Midwest can identify alone. But consider that great lakes culture goes far into NY, and Ohio and Michigan are similar to the northeast sans New England. And of course Chicago land is very similar to the northeast.
Honestly, St. Louis city is built like a Northeastern city as well. Cincinnati is built like a Northeastern city too. But the atmosphere in these cities, including Chicago, are clearly Midwestern. In almost every argument we have had on this forum, most of us come to an agreement that Houston and Atlanta are in the same general Southern region. I don't think I've ever seen a debate on here or on any other forum that has Chicago and Philadelphia as the same general region.
I live in South Dakota. It gets really frickin COLD here. It's northern.
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What states are northern?
