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Old 11-28-2011, 03:41 PM
 
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I suppose one glaring error would be blaming blacks for the low education rates in Alabama and Mississippi. These two states test below average in every category, but it's not the black students pulling the white students down. Compared to other black and white students from across the country, in these two states, the black students tested just as well as the whites, and in some cases higher.

Math, Grade 4

National Average
Black: 222
White: 248

Alabama
Black: 213 (-9 of national average)
White: 238 (-10)

Mississippi
Black: 217 (-5)
White: 239 (-9)

Math, Grade 8

National Avg
Black: 259
White: 290

Alabama
Black: 246 (-13)
White: 278 (-12)

Mississippi
Black: 251 (-8)
White: 279 (-11)

Reading, Grade 4

National Avg
Black: 203
White: 230

Alabama
Black: 201 (-2)
White: 227 (-3)

Mississippi
Black: 195 (-8)
White: 222 (-8)

Reading, Grade 8

National AvgBlack: 244
White: 270

Alabama
Black: 236 (-8)
White: 261 (-9)

Mississippi
Black: 238 (-6)
White: 264 (-6)

It's no surprise that white students have higher scores than black students since they are usually in better neighborhoods and have more money...but compared to their races, the blacks in Mississippi and Alabama are doing just as well, if not better than the whites.
I agree with you that all races in Alabama and Mississippi score lower than their respective race at the national level. I have never contended that they didn't. That said, given that blacks score lower than whites in all states, and given that the black population percentages of Alabama and Mississippi are much higher than most states, it tends to lower the overall average score for the entire state. On a case by case basis, in terms of each demographic group, the difference is less pronounced.

 
Old 11-28-2011, 03:42 PM
 
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Last time I checked the only media outlet that portrays those states in a positive light is ESPN haha! OMG the SEC this SEC that. I am glad everybody else can see this region for what it really is.
What might that be?
 
Old 11-28-2011, 03:46 PM
 
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The majority of what you said was in error. I've argued with you before, if you don't recall, where you went on and on about your research, data, and statistics where it just so happened that a few other posters and I all knew from real life experience that everything that you were stating was false.




Anyone can earn a degree. All you have to do is get the work done and stick to it. Being educated and being intelligent are very different things indeed. Actually you were ignorant to those things and tmac9wr just partially showed you why.

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You're upset at how people percieve these places, yet you're embodying those exact same perceptions.
You're incorrect. No one, including yourself, have proven me wrong. Looking at the statistics on a case by case basis, per demographic group, yields different meaning than it does on a composite, which is what many people like to do when bashing these states, unjustifiably so.

If you've proven that I'm wrong, and if I am in error, please point it out. I'll be happy to provide you with the data to justify my points of view.
 
Old 11-28-2011, 03:48 PM
 
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You have two advanced degrees and say Obama is a communist? Go dig up that receipt and take those degrees back.
Socialism, Marxism, Communism & Obama
 
Old 11-28-2011, 03:53 PM
 
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Wow, someone with a blog says that President Obama is a communist, well, it must be true.
 
Old 11-28-2011, 04:06 PM
 
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credibility gone forever.
 
Old 11-28-2011, 04:14 PM
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Mississippi ranking at the bottom in terms of education, there is a reason for it. It is easy to point at the large African-American population in the state. However, why are African-Americans even in the USA at all? Slavery is the biggest reason. Mississippi ranking near the bottom and Massachusetts ranking near the top isn't just some coincidence. It has alot to do with social conditioning and history. The oldest school system in the USA was founded in Boston in the 1600s. Mississippi had not even been a state. Slavery was practiced in Massachusetts, but it was found not to be economically viable. It was eventually abolished. Massachusetts was also a leader in the Industrial Revolution for the USA. Mississippi, on the other hand, had an economy rooted in slavery. Cotton was the main crop grown, and the plantation system existed throughout many parts of the South. In this plantation society, it was mainly the planter class that had the education. An aristocratic approach to education was the rule. Planter class children were sent away to school or given private tutors. No formal school system was built. And under the slave system, African-American slaves were forbidden to know how to read or write. in 1860, slaves made up 55 percent of the population. Schools weren't built and most White people in Mississippi were poor living in an agrarian society. No surprise that much of the population was illiterate or uneducated. Had alot to do with the way things were set up. In Mississippi, education was skimped on because it was a plantation economy. Massachusetts, on the other hand, had an industrial society and a public school system in Boston already made. The people who have the most stake in a society will do alot of building for it. There was a class system that existed in Massachusetts, but in an industrial society, it was relatively fewer people who didn't have the power. More people had power compared to Mississippi. Mississippi basically operated like an oligarchy where only the rich went to school.
 
Old 11-28-2011, 04:33 PM
 
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Florida also has major league teams:
Miami Marlins(MLB)
Miami Dolphins(NFL)
Miami Heat(NBA)
Florida Panthers(NHL)
Tampa Bay Rays(MLB)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers(NFL)
Tampa Bay Lightning(NHL)
Orlando Magic(NBA)
Jacksonville Jaguars(NFL)

Florida also gave it a shot at Major League Soccer(Tampa Bay Mutiny and Miami Fusion). It failed, but Florida gave it a shot.
Yes let me compile the list of Alabama pro teams... I'll be back in a second...

*listens to the sound of the wind blowing*...

oh wait there aren't any...

let's check out surrounding states for pro teams... Does TN have them? Yes... Georgia? yes...TX? yes... FL? yes...Louisiana? Yes... hummm AL and MS doesn't have any... :/
 
Old 11-28-2011, 05:45 PM
 
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I agree with you that all races in Alabama and Mississippi score lower than their respective race at the national level. I have never contended that they didn't. That said, given that blacks score lower than whites in all states, and given that the black population percentages of Alabama and Mississippi are much higher than most states, it tends to lower the overall average score for the entire state. On a case by case basis, in terms of each demographic group, the difference is less pronounced.
That really doesn't matter though since the white students in these states are still scoring worse than basically all other states in the country too.

It should be noted that according to these statistics, Mississippi and Alabama do indeed have high black populations, ranking #1 and #6 in the nation. However that's still no excuse since African Americans in both Georgia and Maryland (#'s 3 & 4 in the nation, with much higher absolute populations) ranked above average in all four categories (Georgia was tied for the national average on one). In a comedic twist, white Georgians ranked below the national average in 3/4 categories.

So again, stop blaming the black community for these troubles. It's a scapegoating tactic that none of us are buying. Try again.
 
Old 11-28-2011, 06:13 PM
 
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I agree with you that all races in Alabama and Mississippi score lower than their respective race at the national level. I have never contended that they didn't.
Riiiiiight....despite the fact all you do is mention Blacks and have never once talked about Whites in AL and MS scoring lower than Whites in other states.


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Low Education Levels: Correlates with higher black population
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Low education rankings has to do with the very high black population. Do people have to spell it out?
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If you look at education by demographic group, it's fairly comparable with other regions. The south has a much higher black population, a group that tends to have high poverty and lower educational attainment all across the country. When taken as a whole, sure, the south looks more impoverished and of lower education. When compared by demographic group, there's not much difference outside a few locations, such as eastern Kentucky.
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