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Old 11-13-2011, 08:30 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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Your comments made it appear that they were nowhere close to a pro team.



I've known of two particular individuals who have moved to the Birmingham area for a job. It is happening. You don't have to have hyper-growth.



How is having a "lack" of public transportation leaving those cities behind? In whose eyes. I can't imagine most people going, "I can't consider that city. It has a lack of public transportation". In most cities, anyhow, public transportation is more frequently used by the poor.



Of course Citydata is not real life. Hence, I'm working within the confines of the typical reasoning on this site. Democrat equals liberal and Republican equals conservative. In reality, however, there are very few conservative democrats anymore. Most are either liberal or hard-core leftist. For Republicans, a quarter are moderates, a quarter are liberals, and half are conservatives.



What outlandish claims?
>>>>>
there are very few conservative democrats anymore
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You'll actually find quite a few over here in the Indian Nations. I'm one of 'em.

4th Generation Okie & Proud

 
Old 11-13-2011, 08:38 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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The people of Mississippi and Alabama set themselves up to be ridiculed, then complain about it.
For a consolation, think positive...all those people who ridicule Mississippi and Alabama will probably be sent to hell when Jesus returns.
No Jesus isn't taking " Religious Folks " to heaven ( Only Real Saved ) Christians.
 
Old 11-13-2011, 08:56 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Originally Posted by Stars&StripesForever View Post
Let's see.

States without major league teams:

Virginia
South Carolina
Alabama
Mississippi
Kentucky
Maine
New Hampshire
Vermont
Connecticut
Rhode Island
Arkansas
West Virginia
Delaware
North Dakota
South Dakota
Nebraska
Montana
Wyoming
Idaho
New Mexico
Nevada
Alaska
Hawaii

That's 21 States Connecticut and Nebraska had NHL and NBA teams.

That's 23 states, nearly half of all U.S. states. Thus, Mississippi and Alabama are not in rare company.



Of course Houston is known for NASA, but so is Cape Canaveral and Huntsville. Sure, Houston is the big boy, but it's not look the other two locations have nothing to do with NASA.California is known for NASA too
isn't that where the space shuttle lands?

UAB is one of the top schools in the southeast for medicine. Most states don't have anything of that caliber, and even then, they don't have much more in number. Yes, Texas has a lot, particularly with Houston. However, Texas is an outlier, by an large.

There's nothing wrong with forestry and agriculture. Loggers get paid a good salary. Farmers can make a respectable wage.



About the same as most places, I'd say.



If you live in the city of Birmingham or Montgomery or Jackson, you could potentially take public transportation and not use a car. If you don't consider buses, then you might as well use other cities and claim that they are also auto-dependent.



Wrong.

Comedy and entertainment shows can be found in Tunica and Philadelphia, MS at the casinos and surrounding areas.

Birmingham and Jackson are common stops on concert tours.



Many people on this site equate being Democrat with being "liberal", and most of the people in these states who vote Democrat are black people, by about a 3-1 margin, so by that reasoning, most of the people in these states who are liberal are black people.
I believe in some of what you are saying.....
 
Old 11-13-2011, 09:08 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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Conservative Democrats have done poorly of late, and do seem to be in decline, but in polls they tend to be a good deal more common than liberal Republicans.

According to Gallup 20% of Democrats identify as conservative while just 6% of Republicans identify as liberal.

Democrats More Liberal, Less White Than in 2008
Republicans Nationwide Are Similar in Composition to 2008

According to the National Journal's rating system in 2010 there looks to be 18, still serving, Democratic Congresspeople/Senators with a Composite Liberal Score under 50%. No Republican I find had a composite liberal score over 50. Maybe up to 90-95 politicians were in the middle-ground 33-67 range of those maybe 26 were Republican.

National Journal Rating - Project Vote Smart

An argument against these is that while among current Congresspeople/Senators I found just two Republicans whose lifetime American Conservative Union score is at or below 50 (Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins) but I also found just two Democrats at 50 (Dan Boren and Mike McIntyre). I found just four Republicans under 60% (Reichert and Kirk, in addition to Maine's) but I think I found found just four Democrats over 40%. The number of legislators I counted as "in the middle", 33-66%, is 20. Of those 11 were Democrats and 9 GOP. So there's slightly more Democratic than Republican legislators in that middle, 55% to 45% to be exact, but pretty much the same.

American Conservative Union Rating - Project Vote Smart

Y'all may get different counts. One thing I note is that moderate politicians have become fairly rare. At most those in the 33-66 middle represent maybe 20% of Congress and possibly as little as 5%. In the populace both parties had over 20% identifying as moderate.

And to be more relevant to the thread the only Democratic politician I see from Alabama or Mississippi does come out moderately to fairly liberal. He is presumably from a majority black district.
 
Old 11-13-2011, 09:48 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, United States
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Name something that most places have that Alabama or Mississippi doesn't, in terms of daily living.
1. Diverse population. Mexican, black, and white doesn't cut it.
2. Entertainment. Big name acts recurring regularly, big name events that attract crowds from places like Alabama and Mississippi, professional sports on the National and Arena level, random street entertainment.
3. Transportation. The ability to be anywhere in the country within 3 hours without having to stop somewhere inbetween. Mass transit that actually benefits those who choose to or are forced to use it. More options to get around than driving or taking a bus.
4. Employment. A larger variety of career options.
5. Dining far more diversity in restaurant choices, both chain and independent.
6. Shopping. Same as dining. ^

Of course anyone who is not used to these things can't be expected to care about them.
 
Old 11-13-2011, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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How is having a "lack" of public transportation leaving those cities behind? In whose eyes. I can't imagine most people going, "I can't consider that city. It has a lack of public transportation". In most cities, anyhow, public transportation is more frequently used by the poor.

I know a lot of people that are turned off from even considering states or cities where there is a reputation for lack of public transportation. And they are not "poor", they just recognize the practicality and need for decent public transportation.

My brother makes 100k+ per year and doesn't even own a car, as he lives in DC and is able to take the metro to and from work and can easily take a train or bus to nearby cities. It is a huge factor in deciding where to live / work, in my opinion.
 
Old 11-13-2011, 10:21 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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I know a lot of people that are turned off from even considering states or cities where there is a reputation for lack of public transportation.
Although I think public transportation is mostly a good thing, I think this is probably not as much of a concern for people who never lived in the Northeast, Chicago, or Seattle. In much of America people love their cars. Maybe they shouldn't, but they do.
 
Old 11-13-2011, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Although I think public transportation is mostly a good thing, I think this is probably not as much of a concern for people who never lived in the Northeast, Chicago, or Seattle. In much of America people love their cars. Maybe they shouldn't, but they do.
Or Atlanta, Miami, NOLA, LA, SF, etc. Many cities have other forms too.
 
Old 11-13-2011, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Although I think public transportation is mostly a good thing, I think this is probably not as much of a concern for people who never lived in the Northeast, Chicago, or Seattle. In much of America people love their cars. Maybe they shouldn't, but they do.

Totally. I mean, I love my own car. But I also love the option of public transportation, and I think its availability makes a difference, and that unfortunately the lack thereof holds some cities and large towns back quite a bit.

(and part of the reason people love their cars is because it's their only way to get anywhere... haha)
 
Old 11-13-2011, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Silverthorne, Colorado
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Mississippi is the fattest state, the poorest state, and to anybody with normal sweat glands / tolerance for heat, its weather is horrible. Not trying to be mean, just telling the truth here.
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