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Old 11-14-2011, 05:50 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, United States
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The media doesn't try to portray the people of a state, such as New York or California, as backwards, uneducated hicks. This stereotype is blatantly false and is entirely unrealistic, especially in modern times. It's pathetic.
You act as if how NY and CA are portrayed isn't just as bad? It's all false to an extent.

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When the media features a crime-filled area, I don't see the big deal. There are crime-filled areas in New York. Everyone knows that not all of New York is that way. They also feature crime-filled areas of Memphis and New Orleans, both of which are southern cities and have areas that are high in crime. New York is also portrayed positively, in terms of Manhattan, and for being the "center of everything".
Not everyone knows that just like everyone doesn't know that the populations of Mississippi and Alabama aren't 100% redneck. Still you don't see nearly as many crime related shows filmed in Memphis or New Orleans. The majority of the films shot in New Orleans are anything but... Even so that doesn't stop people from thinking that New Orleans bursting from crime from end to end. Taking it even further 3 of the Law and Order franchises and one of the CSI franchises take place in Manhattan. Movies like Harlem Nights and New Jack City definitely don't paint a pretty picture of Manhattan as well as other Mafia/Gangster films that don't take place in Brooklyn or Jersey.

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Los Angeles is loaded with weed heads, porn stars, tattoo-laden people, and loads of phonies (namely south Orange County). It also has a lot of freakish people, loads of illegal aliens, gangs, and all types of social ills. It's all fairly accurate. That's not to say that there aren't a lot of "normal" people there, it's to say that in comparison to the oddballs, they aren't as large a majority as they'd be in other locations.
But that does not make them the majority of Los Angeles. There are millions of real people that actually live there. Now you're doing exactly what you are accusing others of doing by saying that "it's all fairly accurate". Mississippi and Alabama have there fair share of hicks and rednicks being that both states are majorly rural compared to others, so wouldn't that be fairly accurate as well?

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On the other hand, Alabama and Mississippi do have a lot of "country people", but they also have a lot of suburbanites and city dwellers. The stereotypical "redneck" isn't as common in Alabama or Mississippi as the groups above are representative of the LA region. In general, the people of Alabama and Mississippi are nice people.
I disagree. Less than 50% of Mississippi's population is urban/suburban. The only way to not see this is to be a member of the culture described as "redneck", which then you'd probably just consider it normal or southern, or to be a fan of the culture.

 
Old 11-14-2011, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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I have been to Mississippi and Alabama quite a few times and I have never had a bad experience there. The people are friendly, the southern culture is interesting and the scenery is pleasant. Its amazing how Hollywierd and the news media has twisted the reputation of those states. The media is a powerfull tool, and those in charge of the media only show us hicks, policemen with clubs beating minorities and Klan rallies when they represent those two states to the nation. MS and AL are some of the most underated states in the nation, one of the nicest parts of America. Id take anywhere in Ms anyday over anywhere in NY or Ca. Those two states are the most overated. Oh and Im not from the south at all so thats not why im defending them. I live in the upper midwest.
 
Old 11-14-2011, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Seattle bound
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Let's talk about stereotypes in real life. I knew I was in the south when I received an email reminding students that just because it was hunting season, it was still illegal to bring guns onto the campus grounds... even if they had a gun rack in their truck.

Now, I've lived in a lot of states, and a lot of cities both north and south. I've lived in places that were urban, suburban, and rural, but I've never gotten an email like that. And we get one every year. Only in Mississippi.
 
Old 11-14-2011, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Let's talk about stereotypes in real life. I knew I was in the south when I received an email reminding students that just because it was hunting season, it was still illegal to bring guns onto the campus grounds... even if they had a gun rack in their truck.

Now, I've lived in a lot of states, and a lot of cities both north and south. I've lived in places that were urban, suburban, and rural, but I've never gotten an email like that. And we get one every year. Only in Mississippi.
Okay? How is it a negative that the South is culturally different from other places you've lived?
 
Old 11-14-2011, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Let's talk about stereotypes in real life. I knew I was in the south when I received an email reminding students that just because it was hunting season, it was still illegal to bring guns onto the campus grounds... even if they had a gun rack in their truck.

Now, I've lived in a lot of states, and a lot of cities both north and south. I've lived in places that were urban, suburban, and rural, but I've never gotten an email like that. And we get one every year. Only in Mississippi.
I don't see how that's negative. Hunting is fun. My dad just shot the first deer this season.
 
Old 11-15-2011, 04:35 AM
 
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You act as if how NY and CA are portrayed isn't just as bad? It's all false to an extent.
New York is, for the most part, portrayed in a positive light. In most instances, it is known for being "the big Apple", the home of Broadway, the financial district, and for being one of the hubs for news in America. Any negative images don't overshadow the positives, unlike much the way that the negatives overshadow the positives of Mississippi and Alabama. That is according to the media. Every show devoted to Mississippi or Alabama shows rural Mississippians and Alabamans. You don't see anything related to the population centers. On top of that, many of the images of rural Alabama or Mississippi vamp up the accent and make it sound harsh. They also portray most of these rural dwellers as blatant hicks. While you do see people like this, even most rural dwellers these days aren't the stereotypical hick.


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Not everyone knows that just like everyone doesn't know that the populations of Mississippi and Alabama aren't 100% redneck. Still you don't see nearly as many crime related shows filmed in Memphis or New Orleans. The majority of the films shot in New Orleans are anything but... Even so that doesn't stop people from thinking that New Orleans bursting from crime from end to end. Taking it even further 3 of the Law and Order franchises and one of the CSI franchises take place in Manhattan. Movies like Harlem Nights and New Jack City definitely don't paint a pretty picture of Manhattan as well as other Mafia/Gangster films that don't take place in Brooklyn or Jersey.
I'm fairly certain that a large majority knows that New York City isn't completely filled with crime, definitely not Manhattan. It was publicized broadly how former mayor, Guiliani chased out the sleazy elements.

While there may not be as many films or shows devoted to Memphis or New Orleans, you have to expect that as they're smaller cities. Still, per-capita, I'd say it's rather high. Shows like Memphis Beat and COPS have featured the low-sides of these cities. Memphis and New Orleans DO have a bad reputation for crime, much worse than NYC.

The gangster/mafia image is nothing more than Hollywood. Everyone knows that is an image of the past. That is not occurring any longer.


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But that does not make them the majority of Los Angeles. There are millions of real people that actually live there. Now you're doing exactly what you are accusing others of doing by saying that "it's all fairly accurate". Mississippi and Alabama have there fair share of hicks and rednicks being that both states are majorly rural compared to others, so wouldn't that be fairly accurate as well?
I didn't say that it was a majority of people in the LA area. It is, however, a much higher percentage than the percentage of rednecks that you'll see in a place like Mississippi or Alabama. Having an accent or being a country person does not make a person a redneck. LA has a lot of freakish people. All one has to do is hang around the place. All of the stereotypes are obviously noticeable. In Huntington Beach, you see the surfers, the phony snobby young girls, as well as the image-conscious people. You also see the loads of illegal aliens. You go to a place pretty much all over the L.A. area and you see the effects of illegal aliens. You see people with tattoos all over the place. The images are obvious. The only place that seems more morally debased is Las Vegas.

Both Mississippi and Alabama have a majority of their population living in metropolitan areas. Yes, there are a lot of people living in the rural areas. This has to do with two things. States east of the Mississippi River are more settled than states west of the Mississippi River. Most rural land out west is owned by the federal government, so most people have no choice but to live in the urbanized areas. Secondly, the metro areas tend to encompass fewer counties than a lot of metro areas in more populated areas. That said, it's not less than many other states of the nation. Regardless, being rural doesn't make one a hick. It's all a mindset, anyhow.



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I disagree. Less than 50% of Mississippi's population is urban/suburban. The only way to not see this is to be a member of the culture described as "redneck", which then you'd probably just consider it normal or southern, or to be a fan of the culture.
Wrong. More than 50% of Mississippi's population is urban/suburban. Most of Mississippi's population lives in and around Jackson, Gulfport/Biloxi, the Gulf Coast areas, the Memphis suburbs, and a handful of smaller cities, such as Meridian, Vicksburg, Oxford, Tupelo, Hattiesburg. Even then, living in a rural area does not make one a redneck. I don't equate rural with southern. I never have. The southern U.S. has the largest population of any region in the U.S. and has lots of major metro areas with high populations. There are lots of rural areas all over the United States.
 
Old 11-15-2011, 05:52 AM
 
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All of this is a correlation of their high black populations.

Blacks on average have higher crime rates, higher rates of obesity, lower levels of education, and lower levels of health. If you desire the statistics, look them up. It's all there. This isn't news.

If you were to look at these states compared to others on a demographic-group by group basis, you'd see that there isn't as much a difference.
Ahhh, I see. If we're going to bash these states, only Black folks are fair game. The good White folks are alright. Gotcha.
 
Old 11-15-2011, 06:55 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Professional Sports: Found in Alabama & Mississippi, granted its minor league professional sports. That said, a lot of states do not have major league teams, so why single out Alabama and Mississippi?

diverse job opportunity: Alabama is known for NASA, medicine (UAB), steel-mills (granted most are gone), forestry, agriculture, fishing, and almost anything else you can find. Sure, the opportunities may not be as numerous as you'd find in a city like Atlanta or Houston, but they're there.

Opportunity for young people: Hand in hand with job opportunities.

Urban-Living: You can find such in the Birmingham area. Sure, it's not what one would find in NYC or Chicago, but very few places in the U.S. offer such.

Public Transportation: All larger-sized cities have bus service.

Nightlife: Can be found anywhere. Mississippi is known for their casinos in Biloxi, Gulfport, and Tunica. Plenty of fun to be had in southside Birmingham, or the gulf coast area.

Liberals: They're there. They're called black people.
I like Alabama and Mississippi, but this really makes them look pretty shabby.
 
Old 11-15-2011, 07:31 AM
 
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Alabama is not bad at all. Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, and to a lesser extent Arkansas, Texas, and Tennessee are pretty much similar and identical.
 
Old 11-15-2011, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Originally Posted by Stars&StripesForever View Post
New York is, for the most part, portrayed in a positive light. In most instances, it is known for being "the big Apple", the home of Broadway, the financial district, and for being one of the hubs for news in America. Any negative images don't overshadow the positives, unlike much the way that the negatives overshadow the positives of Mississippi and Alabama. That is according to the media. Every show devoted to Mississippi or Alabama shows rural Mississippians and Alabamans. You don't see anything related to the population centers. On top of that, many of the images of rural Alabama or Mississippi vamp up the accent and make it sound harsh. They also portray most of these rural dwellers as blatant hicks. While you do see people like this, even most rural dwellers these days aren't the stereotypical hick.

I'm fairly certain that a large majority knows that New York City isn't completely filled with crime, definitely not Manhattan. It was publicized broadly how former mayor, Guiliani chased out the sleazy elements.

While there may not be as many films or shows devoted to Memphis or New Orleans, you have to expect that as they're smaller cities. Still, per-capita, I'd say it's rather high. Shows like Memphis Beat and COPS have featured the low-sides of these cities. Memphis and New Orleans DO have a bad reputation for crime, much worse than NYC.

The gangster/mafia image is nothing more than Hollywood. Everyone knows that is an image of the past. That is not occurring any longer.

I didn't say that it was a majority of people in the LA area. It is, however, a much higher percentage than the percentage of rednecks that you'll see in a place like Mississippi or Alabama. Having an accent or being a country person does not make a person a redneck. LA has a lot of freakish people. All one has to do is hang around the place. All of the stereotypes are obviously noticeable. In Huntington Beach, you see the surfers, the phony snobby young girls, as well as the image-conscious people. You also see the loads of illegal aliens. You go to a place pretty much all over the L.A. area and you see the effects of illegal aliens. You see people with tattoos all over the place. The images are obvious. The only place that seems more morally debased is Las Vegas.

Both Mississippi and Alabama have a majority of their population living in metropolitan areas. Yes, there are a lot of people living in the rural areas. This has to do with two things. States east of the Mississippi River are more settled than states west of the Mississippi River. Most rural land out west is owned by the federal government, so most people have no choice but to live in the urbanized areas. Secondly, the metro areas tend to encompass fewer counties than a lot of metro areas in more populated areas. That said, it's not less than many other states of the nation. Regardless, being rural doesn't make one a hick. It's all a mindset, anyhow.

Wrong. More than 50% of Mississippi's population is urban/suburban. Most of Mississippi's population lives in and around Jackson, Gulfport/Biloxi, the Gulf Coast areas, the Memphis suburbs, and a handful of smaller cities, such as Meridian, Vicksburg, Oxford, Tupelo, Hattiesburg. Even then, living in a rural area does not make one a redneck. I don't equate rural with southern. I never have. The southern U.S. has the largest population of any region in the U.S. and has lots of major metro areas with high populations. There are lots of rural areas all over the United States.
Talk about hypocritical. You keep making them look worse. The way you talk about LA is childish, and that how people look at MS and AL.
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