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Old 11-14-2011, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Marijuana Legalization is the Republican Platform? Repealing immigration laws is the Republican Platform? lmao right.....
Okay, I missed those. My point still works, though. The authors have defined a set of freedom parameters that might not jibe with how other people see the topic. In other words, it's not a universally agreed definition with which they've conducted the study.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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Texas is 14........
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Old 11-14-2011, 03:19 PM
 
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My state ranked low, but the article points out its because they have strict gun laws, high arrest rates for victimless crimes like drug possession, strict smoking laws and stict labor laws like minimum wage.

I guess I'm fine with those things.
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Old 11-14-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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I am a native New Yorker of 58 years. I have been living in Florida for 4 years. They rank Florida as #11 and NY as #50. From MY perspective, living under Rick Scott in Florida is being "Free"? That is a joke, right? I am trying to get out of Florida ASAP.
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Old 11-14-2011, 03:48 PM
 
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"We explicitly ground our conception of freedom on an individual-rights framework. In our view, individuals should be allowed to dispose of their lives, liberties, and properties as they see fit, as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others"...

Apparently that wasn't factored into the anti-trans fat or gun rights topics as the rights of others are clearly not included within them. It should read without the last section of the sentence and be based on purely an individuals right to do as they please without fear of retribution. Libertarianism at it's best...
Explain.
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Old 11-14-2011, 03:48 PM
 
Location: LBC
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The supposedly “least free” states are also the biggest Federal donor states. Assuming our military "keeps us free", it appears paying for it is for suckers.
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Old 11-14-2011, 03:48 PM
 
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From reading the executive summary, it's clear enough what they are doing. They've defined free as planks in the Republican party platform, then rated states on how well they adhere to that platform. This is foolish at best, and possibly propaganda. Massachusetts is ranked downward because it decided to do something about ensuring a healthier population. That's right, we get no plus for being more free from disease, birth defects, and substance abuse. They didn't even try to hide what they were doing here.
or it could be that we NEED to wear helmets on motercyles and Fireworks are illegal (they don't enforce it though)
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Old 11-14-2011, 04:28 PM
 
Location: West Tennessee
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Okay, I missed those. My point still works, though. The authors have defined a set of freedom parameters that might not jibe with how other people see the topic. In other words, it's not a universally agreed definition with which they've conducted the study.
I agree, but any study like this will be politically slanted one way or another. It seems to be a Libertarian definition of freedom because it's Economically Right and Socially Left.
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Old 11-15-2011, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Near L.A.
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Former state of Virginia; #9
Current state of Kentucky; #32

KY has dry/wet county restrictions on alcohol and a crazy number of taxes.
California has semi-liberal drug laws and allows motorcyclists to ride between traffic lanes along white dotted lines. It's income taxes are high but have a lot of write-offs, consequently resulting in about as many or fewer dollars paid by lower- and middle-class than in otherwise cheaper COL states.

However, sales taxes are high, alcohol can be pricey in stores, environmental regulations are burdensome and the cost of implementation gets passed down to consumers, and income taxes for high income earners are outrageous. Oh, yes, gasoline taxes are way up there!

Kentucky has few income tax write-offs, making income taxes expensive commensurate to anyone's income. Don't forget about city and county taxes; as high as 2.7% in some areas, I think Louisville's is over 4%. Sales tax is 6%, so about the national average. Gas taxes higher than surrounding states. Crazy dry/wet city/county alcohol laws, too, that many even many Kentuckians' heads spin.

On the other hand, smoking cigarettes is very common; cigarettes have low embedded taxes. It's pretty easy to get out of Louisville and Lexington in no time and be in the country; even in those cities, commute times are overall not the problem they can be in California cities, although Louisville's bridge closure and Lexington's Nicholasville Road certainly have a negative effect.

But, the SF Bay Area has something Kentucky doesn't have: the ability to get out of the city and in ten minutes see one of the world's most beautiful and commanding natural views. Go three hours east, there's Yosemite, and that's majestic! Also, a lot of Kentucky towns are quite alike. In California, I can visit Mexico, China, Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Afghanistan, Peru, Oregon, Nebraska, and Kentucky and not leave the state, or even the Bay Area.
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Old 11-15-2011, 12:59 PM
 
Location: IN
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California has semi-liberal drug laws and allows motorcyclists to ride between traffic lanes along white dotted lines. It's income taxes are high but have a lot of write-offs, consequently resulting in about as many or fewer dollars paid by lower- and middle-class than in otherwise cheaper COL states.

However, sales taxes are high, alcohol can be pricey in stores, environmental regulations are burdensome and the cost of implementation gets passed down to consumers, and income taxes for high income earners are outrageous. Oh, yes, gasoline taxes are way up there!

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I'll take the "more stringent" envrionmental regulations of California over the non-existant environmental regulations of Kentucky that have resulted in small and large-scale mountaintop removal operations everywhere with land that can never be reclaimed to its original state.
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