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Old 11-16-2011, 01:42 PM
 
Location: NY-NJ-Philly looks down at SF and laughs at the hippies
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I would have to say the #1 thing that sticks out most is the high poverty rankings and low education quality.

 
Old 11-16-2011, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Southern Baptists have been in Missouri since before the Civil War. Many early Missourians were from southern states and were already Baptist. Same thing with far Southern Illinois. I agree with most everything else.

Bluegrass is much more prevalent in the upland south while Blues is tied much more to the Mississippi Delta. Obviously with the great migration the Blues found its way into Chicago, St. Louis, and other Midwestern cities. The same cannot be said about Bluegrass. It seems that Bluegrass migrated to the Ozarks (With the settlers from the mountain south). There are differences between Ozark Music and Appalachian Music however since much of the Ozark Bluegrass has some French influence in it.

I would say that grits and cotton are still pretty restricted to the south. The rest of the things you mentioned have definitely branched out however. Also rice typically defines the lowland South pretty well. Rice is grown in SE Missouri all the way up to the City of Cape Girardeau. It's also grown on the Illinois side of the Mississippi up to roughly Ware.

With the crops thing, the South definitely has a unique climate as well. It's got most of the Humid Subtropical climate covered.
I knew about the southern settlers, didn't know about the baptist deal. In any case, it didn't get here by natural means. So that means that baptists are one of the few surviving southern elements left here.
 
Old 11-16-2011, 01:52 PM
 
Location: West Tennessee
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I knew about the southern settlers, didn't know about the baptist deal. In any case, it didn't get here by natural means. So that means that baptists are one of the few surviving southern elements left here.
Well Southern Baptist doesn't mean your necessarily southern anymore so regardless I would agree in the modern day it's not necessarily a southern trait. I would say that Missouri's high number of Baptists is a rarity in the Midwest, but Missouri as a whole belongs in the Midwest especially since 3 out of the 4 largest cities are definitely nowhere near Southern. (KC, STL, and Columbia) and even Springfield is a mix.
 
Old 11-16-2011, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Well Southern Baptist doesn't mean your necessarily southern anymore so regardless I would agree in the modern day it's not necessarily a southern trait. I would say that Missouri's high number of Baptists is a rarity in the Midwest, but Missouri as a whole belongs in the Midwest especially since 3 out of the 4 largest cities are definitely nowhere near Southern. (KC, STL, and Columbia) and even Springfield is a mix.
True. I thought there used to be a difference in the types of Baptists too. For a long time anyway, Missouri to had way more Catholics than Southern Baptists. Now it's nearly split down the middle. As of 1990 there were more Catholics than Baptists.
 
Old 11-16-2011, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Denver
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I would have to say the #1 thing that sticks out most is the high poverty rankings and low education quality.
List of U.S. states by poverty rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Take out the extremes and it's not much different.
 
Old 11-16-2011, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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List of U.S. states by poverty rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Take out the extremes and it's not much different.
I guess the district of Columbia really doesn't surprise me since it is mainly a city. Cities in terms of poverty rates will always exceed the average state poverty rate. Overall though, the South tends to be more poor in the rural areas...I'm not sure how much that distinguishes it, but it does distinguish it from most of the Midwest and Northeast.
 
Old 11-16-2011, 04:59 PM
 
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I would have to say the #1 thing that sticks out most is the high poverty rankings and low education quality.
If you look at education by demographic group, it's fairly comparable with other regions. The south has a much higher black population, a group that tends to have high poverty and lower educational attainment all across the country. When taken as a whole, sure, the south looks more impoverished and of lower education. When compared by demographic group, there's not much difference outside a few locations, such as eastern Kentucky.
 
Old 11-16-2011, 05:10 PM
 
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People really do seem to be interested in the South history.

Some of the traditional differences don't matter as much, but might still exist. The South was more rural, its white-population was generally more British, it tended to be more hierarchical/aristocratic, it had more of a military tradition, and racial issues were more starkly black/white.

The bad history of the non-South is more about exploiting the Irish and Chinese or killing indigenous people. Southerners killed indigenous people too, removal was largely a Southern phenomenon, but I don't think were quite as involved in the post-Civil War side of the "Indian Wars." The Sand Creek Massacre, for example, was very much a "Union thing." Northerners are perhaps, comparatively, "lucky" in that the people they mistreated are often assimilated, dead, or on Reservations. They do feel guilty in some way, but it's going to be a bit more distanced. The South still has a large black population so the people they/we enslaved and mistreated are more "there to remind us." I'm not sure I'm phrasing this right though.
 
Old 11-16-2011, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Southeast Arizona
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Much better = Winning

Winning doesn't dictate who has "Better History", the fact that one side Wins makes it easier for that side to hide it's dirty laundry.
 
Old 11-16-2011, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, MD
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The South:

Ugly history that people won't let go of. Nice and friendly people.

Everywhere Else:

Much better history that they use to beat the South over the head with. Much uglier acting people.

That is all.
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