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Old 12-04-2011, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Denver
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I know it means red stick.
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Old 12-04-2011, 06:15 PM
 
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I think I see the problem here - a city gets lively, it grows, then it's outside the OPs limits. Look at Knoxville - we're already bumping up close to the 700,000 MSA. A few residents visit the downtown bars, get frisky, and 9 months later we're out of the running.
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Old 12-04-2011, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Denver
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I think I see the problem here - a city gets lively, it grows, then it's outside the OPs limits. Look at Knoxville - we're already bumping up close to the 700,000 MSA. A few residents visit the downtown bars, get frisky, and 9 months later we're out of the running.
This thread will be buried by the time the census comes out.
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Old 12-04-2011, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas, USA
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I would love to see a strong revitalization happen in Colorado Springs...it's a great setting and has tremendous potential for a thriving downtown...unfortunately, hardly any major companies' offices have their buildings downtown and there aren't many full-time residents or practical amenities. It's charming and has some fun spots, but needs lots of work to truly achieve the DT vibrancy of some of the cities mentioned.
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Old 12-04-2011, 10:52 PM
 
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Honestly, the thread has turned out a lot better than I expected it to.

To Wag More, a lot of cities face that dilemma, where companies might be eager to expand or relocate, but only to the outskirts or burbs.

At least one city that size in Texas, Lubbock, is actively trying to make its downtown area more of an exciting and appealing place, and perhaps in seven to ten years it could be. It is on the small side of my category (MSA is almost 300k), but the area has been growing pretty steadily every year in recent memory, and if Creeksitter's theory is correct, then it too might not qualify when that happens.
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Old 12-05-2011, 01:05 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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How was Madison a decade ago? It fits the size criteria and seems to be very lively now--is it more so than a decade ago?

Another college town, New Haven, has apparently made some pretty big strides this decade.
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:59 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Durham, NC would be a good example perhaps.

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Raleigh's even a better example.....though the metro is now almost 1.2 million. Ten years ago, the metro was in in the 700,000s. Urban housing development didn't exist until the mid/late 90s but now there are dozens of successful urban housing developments and almost a dozen more under construction or in the late planning stages. The transformation happening in DT Raleigh is pretty remarkable given its ghost town status as late as the Clinton Administration.
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Old 06-20-2012, 06:25 AM
 
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Raleigh's even a better example.....though the metro is now almost 1.2 million.
I disagree. Raleigh has always been the state capital and to a degree always had significant commerce going on, even though much of it was before 5pm. Durham's downtown was rife with tobacco warehouses and very little commerce outside of a couple of office buildings.
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Old 06-20-2012, 01:22 PM
 
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I second Greenville, SC. Every time I go back there, I see more to like.
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Old 06-20-2012, 01:54 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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I disagree. Raleigh has always been the state capital and to a degree always had significant commerce going on, even though much of it was before 5pm. Durham's downtown was rife with tobacco warehouses and very little commerce outside of a couple of office buildings.
Both Downtown's were usurped by the focus of commerce to RTP (starting in the 60s) between them. While you are correct that Raleigh has always had the state government, Durham has always had Duke adjacent to its DT core.
In the end, more has happened in DT Raleigh over the last ten years than has happened in Durham. But, then again, that's to be expected since Raleigh's a larger city.
The Triangle is very fortunate to have two emerging city centers at the same time and, IMO, the friendly competition and banter is healthy.
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